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03-26-2007 | 10:47 AM
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One of the reasons Airbus is bumping up it's production on the A320 is to bring in the capital to develope the technology needed to produce the A350. They're a little behind in composites on a plane of that size. Since Boeing is already pushing production of composite tubes, my money is on them for the next generation narrowbody. When they do that, it may give them the positioning they need to corner that sector of the market as well. Don't forget, China has announced it's intention to enter the market as well. Probably more than 10 years out, but something to consider.
03-26-2007 | 11:07 AM
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Actually they ARE in deep doo-doo, both short-term (operational screw-ups) and long-term (strategic screw-ups)...
They only had money to develop ONE next-gen airplane...and they blew it on that gigantic white elephant wich appears to have niche-market value only. I suspect euro-pride had something to do with that decision, ie desire to have the biggest airplane
Their solution to the upper mid-range was to warm over the 330 and call it the 350...well the industry didn't want old technology and now they have to go back and actually develop a NEW airplane to compete $$$$$$$$$$
Massive design delays on the A400M, the 380 production debacle (with canx orders), and the need to re-design the 350 are the elements of a perfect storm...the EU won't let them go BK of course, but they are in a world of hurt.
The A320 serise is the only thing they have going for them, but it's old technology
Several major airlines (including AA) are already showing signs of bypassing A320/737 technology and waiting for the NEXT gen narrow-body...who's going to have the technology and experience to deliver that? The same folks who are bringing you the 787... 
They only had money to develop ONE next-gen airplane...and they blew it on that gigantic white elephant wich appears to have niche-market value only. I suspect euro-pride had something to do with that decision, ie desire to have the biggest airplane
Their solution to the upper mid-range was to warm over the 330 and call it the 350...well the industry didn't want old technology and now they have to go back and actually develop a NEW airplane to compete $$$$$$$$$$
Massive design delays on the A400M, the 380 production debacle (with canx orders), and the need to re-design the 350 are the elements of a perfect storm...the EU won't let them go BK of course, but they are in a world of hurt.
The A320 serise is the only thing they have going for them, but it's old technology
Several major airlines (including AA) are already showing signs of bypassing A320/737 technology and waiting for the NEXT gen narrow-body...who's going to have the technology and experience to deliver that? The same folks who are bringing you the 787... And I do believe that this composite construction on the 787 was the same idea as their JSF, which failed horribably. All the problems with the Boeing JSF appeared right in the middle of assembly when they relized they tried to make to many technological jumps at once. So once the 787 is ready to fly then I will believe the hype.
Yes the 320 is starting to become out of date, but boeing is just catching up to that technology now. Airbus has begun research into a new narrow body aircraft, as has boeing.... both sides have said its not practicle until new engines are developed.
On a side note, lots of people critisize airbus for the "bandaid" solution of the original 350........ is that not EXACTLY what boeing did with the 737NG line...
03-26-2007 | 11:39 AM
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"The image of French work ethics is mediocre (this is an understatement....) : 35-hour work week law, constant strikes, 5 to 8 weeks vacation, early retirement etc... Only in France can you work so few hours/year compared with other countries (the difference between France and the USA is on average 330 hours/year)."
"People work less in Europe because there’s no direct benefit in working more and earning more: painful progressive taxation is the disincentive which in turn has allowed governments to fund generous programs that serve as a safety net for many working and non-working Europeans. As a result the incentive to hoard for a rainy day is less; there is a nice blanket that ensures one’s security in case work derived revenues dry up. Now I know that drastic cuts are being implemented in some European countries, but it’s not too hard to note the huge divergence between US and European entitlements. This economic phenomenon has spawned a culture that has:
(a) created a workforce that has grown accustomed to a certain level of wealth which can be attained with a reasonable but not excessive amount of work;
(b) allowed a culture wherein individual gratification is far more focused on leisure activities and not work (the infamous 35-hour workweek);
(c) made it easier to abandon religion as a spiritual guide which is now more easily achieved by the individual who is economically secure and free to pursue whatever interests he or she has. "
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03-26-2007 | 11:59 AM
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03-26-2007 | 12:00 PM
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03-26-2007 | 12:22 PM
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03-26-2007 | 01:49 PM
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What does that have to do with their pilots holding the bar? My point is they are getting good pay for the airplanes they are flying unlike any 70+seat regional operator out there.
03-26-2007 | 02:01 PM
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Sorry. I should have been more specific.
"The image of French work ethics is mediocre (this is an understatement....) : 35-hour work week law, constant strikes, 5 to 8 weeks vacation, early retirement etc... Only in France can you work so few hours/year compared with other countries (the difference between France and the USA is on average 330 hours/year)."
"People work less in Europe because there’s no direct benefit in working more and earning more: painful progressive taxation is the disincentive which in turn has allowed governments to fund generous programs that serve as a safety net for many working and non-working Europeans. As a result the incentive to hoard for a rainy day is less; there is a nice blanket that ensures one’s security in case work derived revenues dry up. Now I know that drastic cuts are being implemented in some European countries, but it’s not too hard to note the huge divergence between US and European entitlements. This economic phenomenon has spawned a culture that has:
(a) created a workforce that has grown accustomed to a certain level of wealth which can be attained with a reasonable but not excessive amount of work;
(b) allowed a culture wherein individual gratification is far more focused on leisure activities and not work (the infamous 35-hour workweek);
(c) made it easier to abandon religion as a spiritual guide which is now more easily achieved by the individual who is economically secure and free to pursue whatever interests he or she has. "
"The image of French work ethics is mediocre (this is an understatement....) : 35-hour work week law, constant strikes, 5 to 8 weeks vacation, early retirement etc... Only in France can you work so few hours/year compared with other countries (the difference between France and the USA is on average 330 hours/year)."
"People work less in Europe because there’s no direct benefit in working more and earning more: painful progressive taxation is the disincentive which in turn has allowed governments to fund generous programs that serve as a safety net for many working and non-working Europeans. As a result the incentive to hoard for a rainy day is less; there is a nice blanket that ensures one’s security in case work derived revenues dry up. Now I know that drastic cuts are being implemented in some European countries, but it’s not too hard to note the huge divergence between US and European entitlements. This economic phenomenon has spawned a culture that has:
(a) created a workforce that has grown accustomed to a certain level of wealth which can be attained with a reasonable but not excessive amount of work;
(b) allowed a culture wherein individual gratification is far more focused on leisure activities and not work (the infamous 35-hour workweek);
(c) made it easier to abandon religion as a spiritual guide which is now more easily achieved by the individual who is economically secure and free to pursue whatever interests he or she has. "
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