How much different really is Skywest and Envoy ? In regards to

1) Time to Upgrade to Captain
2) Internal opportunities to be a LCA, Safety, etc
3) Overall QOL
4) Culture, number of A-holes who work at company
5) Pay/Salary
6) Anything else I may have missed

I live in Dallas and cannot physically relocate due to parents and their age/health issues. Long term goal is a major airline (like everyone else...) with SWA as primary target.

I already have 2,500 turbine (all multi-engine turboprop, but...) PIC as signer of the aircraft, ATP, 4-year degree, and some other stuff to include leadership/management roles and IP. TT is approx 6,000.

I am getting advice that I need to "check the 121 box" and do regionals to boost my resume.

Thank you

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I'll speak on the above regarding Envoy.

1. Immediately once you have the 121 required flight time for upgrade.

2. Lots of opportunities. They need LCA and sim instructors both. Both pay very well.

3. Lots of variables here. Biggest variable is if you can drive to work. DFW will at least be an option at some point at Envoy. Rumors of a SKW DFW coming but just rumors so far. If SKW does indeed open DFW and that's an option, SKW will have better QOL. Otherwise, if you had to commute your entire time at SKW, then Envoy would win in QOL.

4. Overall, great pilot group. Just like anywhere, there are a holes around. But they are far and few between.

5. Pay is spelled out for both airlines on the Airline Profiles page on the site.

6. Simply stated, I'd got to SKW for the QOL if they do indeed open a DFW base. If not, I'd got to Envoy to at least be able to drive to work eventually. Commuting SUCKS!

 

Wouldn’t he be pushed to LGA with the Captain upgrade with Envoy though?

 

Yes, instantly. It’s a forced upgrade once you meet minimums, and their reserve rules are currently the most abusive in the industry.
That’s fact, not opinion.

 

Yes. That's why I said "eventually" get back to DFW.

 

You’re going to commute at either. Why not pick someplace that pay$.

 

Like Spirit or Frontier?

 

What does a LCA make at Envoy? Is that the same as a SOE Captain?

 

It’s a $40/hr override when flying acting as a LCA. LCA carry out line checks as well as IOE.

 

Having flow at both... Envoy seems to throw a wrench into things at every turn. I got base bumped, displaced back to FO ect, but had i put up with all that crap for another 13 years i would be at AA right now. No SkyWest. Been good no complaints., SWA loves OO guys. SWA Training is made up of former OO guys as well as there chief pilot. OO has a growing DFW operation. Rumor of a base there but not tell 2019. Good luck.. (family first)