blindfayth

Those don't usually give an accurate picture of what pay is going to be like a couple years down the road.

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Here's Republic's TA summary: https://i.imgur.com/kslJFMT.png

Here's Endeavor's pay progression over the next few years: https://i.imgur.com/e9vC63D.jpg

So, someone who's going to be a new-hire in the next month or two needs to look at what captain pay rates are going to be like in 2020/2021.. not 2018. In Republic's case, there's a huge jump. Just going to the Airline Profiles on this website alone would be very misleading.

Edit: One thing that just looking at the rates doesn't include: Open time pay. i.e. picking up extra trips that no one has claimed. Republic by default pays you only your base rate (100%). i.e. 45$/hr on year one FO pay scale. Endeavor pays you 150% (1.5 * 50 first year = 75$/hr). This is where you can get quite lucrative on EDV's pay rates, which are already higher, if you're willing to work more. They have some FO's that are clearing 100k/year due to this combination. Captain pay can be silly good for this reason as well. The downside is you're likely going to have to "pay some dues" and do the commuting to reserve in NYC out of training for a bit if you go to EDV. Short term pill to swallow, big payoff later.

ninerdriver

You don't even have to work much more to see some benefit. Have a 20 hour 4-day, but see an overlapping 23-hour 4-day in open time? Boom. Swap it out, and you're getting an extra 4.5 hours of credit without adding any days to your schedule.

blindfayth

This is for lineholders, correct?

ninerdriver

Yes, that's correct. Reserves can pickup work from open time at 150%, but it has to be on a day off.

blindfayth

Still a tough choice.

Both have really good pros and cons.

bscott58d

Great thread to see and read. Same boat, CJO from 9E and YX. I live GSP and cant move though so comes sitting reserves for a year plus (want ATL obviously) or getting a line quicker and building time faster with Republic. Sounds like both places have high morale and QOL.

JulesWinfield

Commuting to reserve isn't a short term pill at 9e. It's probably going to take a year for a new hire to hold a line if things don't change drastically.

blindfayth

Wouldn't I be able to hold DTW reserve shortly after training? In that case I would be reserve sitting in base. That's not so bad, is it?

ninerdriver

If you're ready for it, then no, it's not.

NYC has stagnated on the FO side, particularly on the bottom, so folks in the middle of the NYC reserve pack are sitting reserve longer than anticipated. Some folks are (understandably) disappointed about that.

When Delta announces their DCI plan [insert "next week"/"next month"/"by the end of the quarter"/"on the call"/"by e-mail" here], things should start moving again.

The junior DTW FOs on both the 200 and the 900 are April hires.

blindfayth

What does that mean?