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Old 08-02-2018, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
That isn't required. The company is paying for a ticket as part of a business expense. My wife travels extensively for work. Do you think she pays taxes on company paid tickets? No.
Depends on the arrangement. The IRS tried to tax nonrev SA, but Congress always blocked it. Positive space from home to your USUAL place of work can be taxed. Positive space to another location is not taxed (your wife and most other business travelers). Also not taxed if you have no usual place of work.

People who get positive space due to the nature of the job (job location not desirable, hard to attract workers) typically do pay taxes, but the employer simply includes that in their pay. I believe there's an exemption for travel to a job site which is not suitable for habitation (ie oil rig, North slope).

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Old 08-02-2018, 02:16 PM
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I get positive space, I am also paid DH pay, and I collect the frequent flyer miles. I just flew on Delta and was upgraded to first class because of my status with them. Pax flying isn't the only game in town.
OH yeh, I never have to pay for hotels either.
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Originally Posted by Poopoopants View Post
With the shortage getting worse, anyone think the regionals will start a positive space to work program? I know most have a commuter clause but thats still pretty stressful. If they bought your ticket to an from work like a lot of the cargo companies I know I'd me more willing to go back to work for them.
Via Air, a small regional two years old in 121 does home basing for pilots with positive space to/from work. Pilot keeps the air award program miles/points. Same with most hotels, pilot keeps the points.
No crashpads ever, if you don’t live in base they provide a hotel.

It’s getting common in the ACMI world to be home based.

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Old 08-02-2018, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Depends on the arrangement. The IRS tried to tax nonrev SA, but Congress always blocked it. Positive space from home to your USUAL place of work can be taxed. Positive space to another location is not taxed (your wife and most other business travelers). Also not taxed if you have no usual place of work.

People who get positive space due to the nature of the job (job location not desirable, hard to attract workers) typically do pay taxes, but the employer simply includes that in their pay. I believe there's an exemption for travel to a job site which is not suitable for habitation (ie oil rig, North slope).
So how are you supposed to calculate your supposed tax on a PS ticket? Look up how much a last minute ticket costs on the flight you’re on? Yeah, no.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy View Post
That isn't required. The company is paying for a ticket as part of a business expense. My wife travels extensively for work. Do you think she pays taxes on company paid tickets? No.
Your wife is traveling to work FROM a home base, not being paid travel expenses to travel to her normal workplace.
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I used to get positive space to work at a previous job. You are not taxed on it. It is no different than living in base and your first leg starting out as a DH.
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Old 08-03-2018, 04:28 AM
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This thread got me thinking about Atlas. This is what it says on APC

All travel and hotels to and from your base is imputed and taxed on your monthly pay statements.

Significant taxes ($500+ per mo.) will be imputed and deducted from your pay check each month.
Are they the only airline that does this then? Are they helping the pilots out with their tax calculations? Or are they charging pilots for something other airlines foot the tax bill for??

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Old 08-03-2018, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine View Post
I used to get positive space to work at a previous job. You are not taxed on it. It is no different than living in base and your first leg starting out as a DH.
Let’s hope you don’t get audited.
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine View Post
I used to get positive space to work at a previous job. You are not taxed on it. It is no different than living in base and your first leg starting out as a DH.
It’s very different, because in a DH, you are being repositioned from your base for the purposes of work. PS travel to work would be a taxable benefit (as imputed income) just the same way a paid transit pass would be, because it is enables you to get to your normal place of work. Your company may not have been compliant, or they might have paid the tax, but it isn’t the same as a DH first leg.
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
It’s very different, because in a DH, you are being repositioned from your base for the purposes of work. PS travel to work would be a taxable benefit (as imputed income) just the same way a paid transit pass would be, because it is enables you to get to your normal place of work. Your company may not have been compliant, or they might have paid the tax, but it isn’t the same as a DH first leg.
It depends where you are actually based. If you are home based, then everything is company travel to your duty assignment. If you are based someplace and provided positive space travel on your own airline it would be imputed income. If your company is buying you a real ticket on any airline to go to work and you are Home Based there is no imputed income.
If your airline is giving you positive space and showing a DH on your schedule for FTDT purposes, then you are not getting imputed income and it is part of your duty day.
If you are not home based, and your company provides positive space travel to your domicile on your own carrier (or affiliate) it is imputed income. If they are buying you a ticket from home to your domicile on another carrier, it could also be imputed income. At that point it would depend how they record the travel; if they show it as part of your duty day, no imputed income.... if not, pay up.
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