There are good days and bad days. Hopefully some of the some of the problems can be worked out by ALPA or the "Colgan Pilot
Group" . If you have any specific questions, PM me.

 

Ill tell you who cares and why people make a big deal about it. 1st the people in the back care because they are on that aircraft expecting a safe and efficient flight and expect that if something were to go wrong they have a competent crew. Airlines have OUTSTANDING training but you can't train ADM, thats something you learn over time. Time that should be spent in a small piston aircraft not a RJ with 50 people on board. Who is making a big deal captains that are expecting to have a FO that will have the guts and the understanding of when to speak up and save his ass when he is screwing up or missing something. Basicly 50 hours of SOLO PIC that these wonderkids have is not enough and the farthest they have traveled alone is what maybe 300 nm. Great you may take a job at your low time but guess what there are instructors and other pilots that will get hired a few months behind you and guess what they will get that captain upgrade before you because they meet the PIC requirement, have fun waiting for that waiver!

 

Ease up Cartman.

 

haha.. funny you should say that. As I was typing that line, I heard Cartman's voice in the back of my head saying those words. Maybe i should have spelled it "nyyuuuts" lol

 

Im not a 250 hour wonder BTW. I really think it depends on the person, some 1200-2000 hour wonders arent exactly the brightest. The 250-500 hour people seem to be the exception thought, not the norm. Maybe they are actually decent pilots, or are a decent captains kid.

 

Here are a couple of things I've heard over the years:

"I've logged more hours standing in line at the Commissary than you have in the aircraft."

"What happens when you run out of altitude, airspeed, and experience all at the same time?"

Some more thoughts:
You cannot compare military training to ANYTHING. In civilian training, you are the consumer and can keep paying to play. Uncle Sugar gives you a couple of shots and then the door if you don't cut it.

I just watched a video filmed by the FO during the River vis at DCA. How about professionalism? Naah. Made a cool video. Can you imagine what the PAYING pax would think?

ADM comes with experience. Every license is a license to learn, but by the time a pilot gets to the front of a 121 aircraft, s/he should have had some time to learn a few lessons. Get them out of the "Killing Zone" before putting the on a transport cat aircraft.

 

Does anybody know who wrote that book called "The Killing Zone"? I read it a couple of years ago and would like to get a copy for myself. Pretty good book. The 250 hour guys that think being a cfi is a waste of time because you can go to a turboprop right now probably wouldn't agree.

 

Amazon has The Killing Zone. I bet the book is banned/burned at ATP's.

 

With today's engineering and technology......what, they'd still be dying but in a lot more expensive airplanes?

The attrition rate -- literally guys who died -- was ENORMOUS during WW2. On top of that, there were an incredible number of crashes and aircraft writeoffs with that group of inexperienced pilots.

Remember that with every one of those airplanes that a low-time pilot was flying, there weren't that many people to kill on board when they crashed it. At most, there were 10 guys in a B-17, and they were all GIs anyway. A tragedy if there was a crash and they all died, but it didn't make the front page of the newspaper because there were thousands more dieing overseas at the hands of the Axis.

Can you imagine if the regionals were losing one aircraft a month??? That kind of thing is COMPLETELY unacceptable in today's environment.

That is a totally apples-and-oranges argument...doesn't even remotely apply in the current zero-tolerance-for-bending-the-jet state of the industry.

 

............... Im going to the Nudie Bar, Cant get me down, and to the felloa who posted above, LAX, and SAT are super junior