500/50 for Colgan
04-14-2007 | 04:49 PM
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Round Two:
For the most part, I blame the industry, not the pilots, for 250 hr pilots getting into the right seats of airliners. It's like daddy giving you a 911 for a high school graduation present. Who would pass up this hot ride? The newbie pilots don't have the experience (in some cases maturity) to know that they have no business in a M.80 jet with the lives of 20-75 other people in their hands.
For the most part, I blame the industry, not the pilots, for 250 hr pilots getting into the right seats of airliners. It's like daddy giving you a 911 for a high school graduation present. Who would pass up this hot ride? The newbie pilots don't have the experience (in some cases maturity) to know that they have no business in a M.80 jet with the lives of 20-75 other people in their hands.
04-15-2007 | 09:44 AM
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Round Two:
For the most part, I blame the industry, not the pilots, for 250 hr pilots getting into the right seats of airliners. It's like daddy giving you a 911 for a high school graduation present. Who would pass up this hot ride? The newbie pilots don't have the experience (in some cases maturity) to know that they have no business in a M.80 jet with the lives of 20-75 other people in their hands.
For the most part, I blame the industry, not the pilots, for 250 hr pilots getting into the right seats of airliners. It's like daddy giving you a 911 for a high school graduation present. Who would pass up this hot ride? The newbie pilots don't have the experience (in some cases maturity) to know that they have no business in a M.80 jet with the lives of 20-75 other people in their hands.
04-15-2007 | 12:16 PM
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Ya, I Am With Colgan. We All Can't Be Ass Cool As Saab Who Fly's A Jet. Whoooooooo!!!! I Know The Saab Is For Pilots With Skill. So, U Left. It's Ok, You Have Pilots With 600 Hrs Flying A Jet At 36,000, Who Can't Even Shoot A Ils Without The Fd. The Truth Hurts. You Can Talk All U Want About Colgan. We Are Going To Be Right Next Too You Soon At Newark.we Sure Look Foward To Having U On Are Flight's.
Good old Chuckie Colgan says: we Sure Look Foward To Having U On Are Flight's
04-15-2007 | 01:52 PM
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Nice! Glad To See That You Are Excited About Those Q400s In Ewr. Excellent Payrates. Great Airline. Go Colgan Go. Way To CaPiTaLiZe And UnderCut! Glad to see that you guys got the $21 first year rate for the Beech... maybe that huge raise will help attract more professional airline pilots like you!
Good old Chuckie Colgan says: we Sure Look Foward To Having U On Are Flight's
Good old Chuckie Colgan says: we Sure Look Foward To Having U On Are Flight's
PS. Cant wait to see what kind of a dynamite job the Colgan guys will do in EWR, especially the mx, those guys are top notch..............
04-15-2007 | 02:25 PM
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Hey Saab, I bet you regret leaving Colgan now. Just think, you could be flying the Q400 as a Captain making the same as you would when you are flying Captain on one of the 30 E-135s you guys have. However, chances are you'll be in the 145, which still has less (not half like the 135) seats than the Q400 and pays more.
Good point NWA757
Good point NWA757
04-15-2007 | 02:26 PM
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For all the Colgan pilots happy about their Q400's. Take a look at this comparison of Colgan and GoJet. Colgan flies a 74 seat Q400 while GoJet flies a 66 seat CRJ-700.
When I say their pay rates are lower than GoJet, we have a serious problem. Colgan needs a union! PERIOD. End of story.
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Q400 CA Colgan CRJ-700 CA GoJet $53- 1st year $57 - 1st year $55- 2nd year $58 - 2nd year $56- 3rd year $60 - 3rd year $58- 4th year $62 - 4th year $60- 5th year $64 - 5th year Q400 FO Colgan CRJ-700 FO GoJet $21 - 1st year $23 - 1st year $26 - 2nd year $25 - 2nd year $27 - 3rd year $34 - 3rd year
04-15-2007 | 03:14 PM
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As TXTECHKA pointed out "Sometimes legal and safe are two different things." Learning the difference between "can" and "should" is part of that experience from which pilots develop ADM. Everybody knows that the company will "flex" the legal limits of the FARs and laws to get the job done. However, when the Fit hits the SHan, it's the a$$es of the two aviators in the front office that are on the line. These aircraft require two pilots for a reason. Otherwise, you'd see automation taking the place of the SIC.
Ref: that video I mentioned in the first post, I guess that CA would have been better off with another computer instead of that copilot. Why he allowed it, I have no idea. Granted it was CAVU, but still....Enroute is one thing, but in the terminal environment, not to mention one surounded with Patriot and Avenger missiles batteries, I'd definitely be cocked, locked, and ready to rock IF anything happened.
Ref: that video I mentioned in the first post, I guess that CA would have been better off with another computer instead of that copilot. Why he allowed it, I have no idea. Granted it was CAVU, but still....Enroute is one thing, but in the terminal environment, not to mention one surounded with Patriot and Avenger missiles batteries, I'd definitely be cocked, locked, and ready to rock IF anything happened.
