Originally Posted by Irishblackbird (Post 2736671)

The company I worked for closed thier flight department, rather than sit around on a severance and let my skill set atrophy waiting for another corporate opportunity, I decided to give 121 a shot. I guess that makes me a poor decision maker, along with many airline/corporate pilots that have lost their jobs when a business ceases to exist or makes changes to its business plan.

Yep, seniority is how a union rewards time in service. I guess the same way they track the talent and worth of the many thousands of non-unionized CPA's, auditors, and analysts at the big four accounting firms, or the same way they do it for many thousands of non-unionized workers in IT at Google, Microsoft, and Apple. How about the thousands of pharmacist's that work in retail, or pharmaceutical companies? There are many large non-union businesses that are able to track and promote the performance and progress of their employees. It's not a new concept.

Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2736729)

The reason I left my other career for this one was to avoid all that bull****. Do you think promotions at those companies are fair? Sure, it can be at times. But a lot of times favoritism, nepotism, good looks (yeah, I said it), political games, and back stabbing in the promotion game make it an unfair and unhealthy environment.



I came to this job to avoid that. All I want to do is to go to work, do my job, and go home without a worry in the world. I don't want to have to worry about putting extra time in, doing work from home, or making up work just to look busy/innovative all to get ahead. I leave that up to the folks at corporate headquarters at my company.

Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2736739)

Couldn’t agree more. The guys who complain about the seniority system, and want everything to be merit based have never had a job outside of flying.

The grass isn’t always greener.

Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2736729)

The reason I left my other career for this one was to avoid all that bull****. Do you think promotions at those companies are fair? Sure, it can be at times. But a lot of times favoritism, nepotism, good looks (yeah, I said it), political games, and back stabbing in the promotion game make it an unfair and unhealthy environment.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2762408)

Good looks? I've seen it come down to HAIR! Bunch of good looking dudes, but only a couple still had all their hair... At some level, that's not even totally unreasonable, senior folks will represent the organization, often in sound bites or still images.

Everything he said is true BTW.

Dilbert and Office Space are not satire, they are documentaries. If you've never done anything but fly, just press "I Believe" now.

Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2762435)

Before I left the Air Force, lazy Senior Commanders would actually request PT scores when racking and stacking promotion packages. Somebody getting a 98 on the PT test while you only got a 91 (passing is 75 and anything over 90 is considered excellent) could be the difference between a DP or not. And they wonder why they have a huge retention problem.

Originally Posted by Irishblackbird (Post 2734591)

One other factor to consider, is that the regional's will have senior and career regional pilots that will be retiring as well. Looking at the numbers the majors will require makes me think that the regional's will severely contract.

Originally Posted by ESQ702 (Post 2764412)

Is there any good source to determine possible retirements coming at the regional level? I'd love to see those...