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flysooner9 02-11-2019 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by OversoldCommute (Post 2762193)
No ready reserve at Piedmont. Only short call (an hour and a half).

Theoretically it’s in the contract however the company, probably due to staffing, hasn’t chose to use it. Wouldn’t shock me if you see this change at piedmont if training starts to catch up and both captains and FO’s are properly staffed.

Slow2Final 02-11-2019 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2762179)
How many months are you usually on RR? At mine that job tends to go to the FO that finishes training halfway through the month. You might have two months of it max. Not the end of the world.

That's sort of an irrelevant question for PSA. Nobody is awarded a ready reserve line, as they are other airlines. They simply convert short call pilots to ready, with the only stipulations being no more than 8 times per month, and no more than 3 days in a row.

DarkSideMoon 02-11-2019 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Slow2Final (Post 2762241)
That's sort of an irrelevant question for PSA. Nobody is awarded a ready reserve line, as they are other airlines. They simply convert short call pilots to ready, with the only stipulations being no more than 8 times per month, and no more than 3 days in a row.

Sure that’s annoying, but is it really a reason to go one place over another? I can just as easily watch Netflix in a crewroom as I can at home.

Throwitaway 02-11-2019 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2762279)
Sure that’s annoying, but is it really a reason to go one place over another? I can just as easily watch Netflix in a crewroom as I can at home.

But can you do it in your underwear?

Phoenix21 02-12-2019 05:46 AM

The PDT 5 year flow for new hires with its current pilot group size is only true if PDT is flowing 12/ month. Flowing 6/month, the last person on the seniority list has over 10 years to flow... it may be a little bit shorter, but attrition really tapers off once folks hit their 3rd year on property.

With the flow as long as it is at PDT, one must ask which company will give me more $/QOL in Philly over the next 9-10 years. Unfortunately that answer is not Piedmont.

If you have to go to a Philly regional long term go to Republic. If that is not an option PSA beats PDT in QOL long term. Short term, PDT may be slightly better since PHL is the junior base but 16hr 4 day trips followed by 2 days off for a total of 11 is rough.

MantisToboggan 02-13-2019 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2762232)
Theoretically it’s in the contract however the company, probably due to staffing, hasn’t chose to use it. Wouldn’t shock me if you see this change at piedmont if training starts to catch up and both captains and FO’s are properly staffed.

Well, the company can't just go and implement ready reserve. The union would have to agree to it

flysooner9 02-13-2019 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by MantisToboggan (Post 2763130)
Well, the company can't just go and implement ready reserve. The union would have to agree to it

All they’d have to do is “agree on a suitable lounge facility”

OpMidClimax 02-14-2019 07:41 AM

Im am nearing the end of my tenure here at piedmont. This year, unless schedules will improve, jan and feb, I credited about 80 hours a month. At my pay rate that is 5600 dollars and will only have 11 days off a month.

If you can live on the northeast with a 65k year a job and grind out a minimum 5 years as a captain here until you flow, then piedmont is where you want to be. Expect 50 to 60 hours block a month.

Im hoping the improvements in April do make a difference.

67Creek 02-14-2019 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2764032)
Im hoping the improvements in April do make a difference.

What improvements?

Phoenix21 02-14-2019 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2764032)
Im am nearing the end of my tenure here at piedmont. This year, unless schedules will improve, jan and feb, I credited about 80 hours a month. At my pay rate that is 5600 dollars and will only have 11 days off a month.

If you can live on the northeast with a 65k year a job and grind out a minimum 5 years as a captain here until you flow, then piedmont is where you want to be.

If your only geographic constraint is live in the Northeast for $65k a year you might as well just go to Endeavor and be a FO. You have to be on the 4th year CA pay scale at PDT to make more per hour than a Endeavor FOs are able to make.

You have to be a 10 year Captain at PDT to make what and Endeavor CA makes as soon as they upgrade. Put another way a Piedmont pilot would just hit the flow flow before they enjoyed a full year of pay parity with Endeavor Captain first year pay.


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