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OpMidClimax 02-14-2019 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2764134)
If your only geographic constraint is live in the Northeast for $65k a year you might as well just go to Endeavor and be a FO. You have to be on the 4th year CA pay scale at PDT to make more per hour than a Endeavor FOs are able to make.

You have to be a 10 year Captain at PDT to make what and Endeavor CA makes as soon as they upgrade. Put another way a Piedmont pilot would just hit the flow flow before they enjoyed a full year of pay parity with Endeavor Captain first year pay.

I wasnt being positive about only making 65k a year to fly for an aa wo. Actually it's pathetic and disgraceful.

Swakid8 02-14-2019 06:09 PM

I am at PSA and I am enjoying my time here. PHL is a small base at the moment in terms of the flying ratio to crew memeber a based there. But I have a feeling that will change as new 900s come online to replace the first batch of 200s that are schedules to get retired.

There is room for improvement, and with the leadership of the Union changed out, I have a feeling things will improve here as well.


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Urban achiever 02-15-2019 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2764032)
Im am nearing the end of my tenure here at piedmont. This year, unless schedules will improve, jan and feb, I credited about 80 hours a month. At my pay rate that is 5600 dollars and will only have 11 days off a month.

If you can live on the northeast with a 65k year a job and grind out a minimum 5 years as a captain here until you flow, then piedmont is where you want to be. Expect 50 to 60 hours block a month.

Im hoping the improvements in April do make a difference.

...Jesus is that after taxes?? I’m at psa and with 6 months as fo & 6 as Capt (3rd yr pay) I’m closer to 68k, and that’s with 12-14 off a month. What happened to piedmont’s 2-300% pay? Cause I ran into guys in the crew room with lots of disposable income and no time to spend it.

Thedude86 02-15-2019 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Urban achiever (Post 2764580)
...Jesus is that after taxes?? I’m at psa and with 6 months as fo & 6 as Capt (3rd yr pay) I’m closer to 68k, and that’s with 12-14 off a month. What happened to piedmont’s 2-300% pay? Cause I ran into guys in the crew room with lots of disposable income and no time to spend it.

I think they’re only getting 11-12 days off anyway. So even if the 300% still exists you’d have to be willing to go down to 9 or 10 days off. I feel bad for the Piedmont guys and gals. If you want to pick up premium you cant have a life.

ArmyRWP2018 02-15-2019 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by Urban achiever (Post 2764580)
...Jesus is that after taxes?? I’m at psa and with 6 months as fo & 6 as Capt (3rd yr pay) I’m closer to 68k, and that’s with 12-14 off a month. What happened to piedmont’s 2-300% pay? Cause I ran into guys in the crew room with lots of disposable income and no time to spend it.

That’s a no. Try $65 for 3rd year CA. 75 min guarantee with small opportunity to beat min each month plus $7800ish In per diem. No Bonus for Captains that were FOs who received more than $7500 in bonuses.

It is actually rounding up sort of...

OpMidClimax 02-15-2019 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by ArmyRWP2018 (Post 2764651)
That’s a no. Try $65 for 3rd year CA. 75 min guarantee with small opportunity to beat min each month plus $7800ish In per diem. No Bonus for Captains that were FOs who received more than $7500 in bonuses.

It is actually rounding up sort of...

Yup.. CPA asked me if I only worked 60 months this year or something...

Most of my FOs made more money than me last year...

The golden handcuffs of the flow are a curse this last year here.

JohnnyDingus 02-15-2019 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2759521)
If you want to fly clapped out Eagle 145's force transferred to a carrier that is transitioning from props, then go PDT. If you want to fly for a carrier that voted concessions to secure new flying and airplanes at the expense of another ALPA carrier and the rest of the regional industry, then PSA.

Obviously, pick something in base to avoid commuting, but that's what you're going into.

All the yes voters at PSA have been long gone bud. Its a whole new airline now bud.

havick206 02-15-2019 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Throwitaway (Post 2762301)
But can you do it in your underwear?

This should absolutely be a consideration when choosing your airline.

PleaseComplete 02-15-2019 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus (Post 2764760)
All the yes voters at PSA have been long gone bud. Its a whole new airline now bud.

They're not all gone. I flew with a couple out of the Dayton base. This is the story I got.

In any event what the other side of the coin failed to see in the matter, even though a "concessionary for them" contract was signed it was literally - sign this agreement or they will shut the doors tomorrow - and that was already decided before the town hall meeting. It's easy for someone who is not going to lose their job to say "stand strong". This was no idle threat either if that yes vote did not happen it was already decided that the airline would cease to exist by management at US Airways/American. Of course everyone will say it was just a threat and we shouldn't have caved in but there are multiple reliable sources that it would have been shut down.

As you said though, completely different airline now.

Urban achiever 02-15-2019 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2764877)
They're not all gone. I flew with a couple out of the Dayton base. This is the story I got.

In any event what the other side of the coin failed to see in the matter, even though a "concessionary for them" contract was signed it was literally - sign this agreement or they will shut the doors tomorrow - and that was already decided before the town hall meeting. It's easy for someone who is not going to lose their job to say "stand strong". This was no idle threat either if that yes vote did not happen it was already decided that the airline would cease to exist by management at US Airways/American. Of course everyone will say it was just a threat and we shouldn't have caved in but there are multiple reliable sources that it would have been shut down.

As you said though, completely different airline now.


100% this... they forget the fact at first with the 175s, aa told them what the final offer was. Soooo they sent the airframes to compass. Psa shot down the contracts initially for the 900s, and on the third and final offer American said “do it or we will liquidate PSA over a 4 week period as you’re holding up the merger”... as told to me by former chief pilots who have since flowed.

But the guys at psa at the time were supposed to say no as it was an “idle threat” even though American had proved it wasn’t, and lose their jobs so everyone else could hope for a few more $$$ in their pocket. 🙄


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