Skywest ATC Warnings?????
04-26-2007, 11:13 AM
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uh oh you dont want to upset the skywest movement now do you?
04-26-2007, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Which is why I do not see them. My company does not yet have ASAP as management will not give guarantees that the information will not be used against the pilots. They want us to trust them.
So if your company does NOT have ASAP, you may not get the information from other ASAP programs, I assume?
Again, I would say to fill them both out.
So if your company does NOT have ASAP, you may not get the information from other ASAP programs, I assume?
Again, I would say to fill them both out.
As far as needing protection from the Evil Skywest Chiefs, I would doubt in this hiring environment that the management of any carrier is looking for reasons to suspend or fire pilots. That just does not make any sense.
04-26-2007, 08:07 PM
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Nothing in this business makes Sense Anymore.....
04-26-2007, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Information submitted to the ERC as an ASAP report is automatically linked and sent to the ASRS database to be "used" by all of aviation. No need to submit both types of report. So technically, the ASAP information is available (de-identified, of course) to anyone that looks into the ASRS database.
As far as needing protection from the Evil Skywest Chiefs, I would doubt in this hiring environment that the management of any carrier is looking for reasons to suspend or fire pilots. That just does not make any sense.
As far as needing protection from the Evil Skywest Chiefs, I would doubt in this hiring environment that the management of any carrier is looking for reasons to suspend or fire pilots. That just does not make any sense.
Also, not a SkyWest pilot... well, maybe I kind of am. A division of SkyWest. I'm currently on military leave, but last I heard ASAP was dead in the water. And trust me, they would be dumb enough to fire a good pilot for an honest mistake.
04-26-2007, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Again, I can never recall seeing any ASAP information other than what has been sent to me by other pilots.
Also, not a SkyWest pilot... well, maybe I kind of am. A division of SkyWest. I'm currently on military leave, but last I heard ASAP was dead in the water. And trust me, they would be dumb enough to fire a good pilot for an honest mistake.
Also, not a SkyWest pilot... well, maybe I kind of am. A division of SkyWest. I'm currently on military leave, but last I heard ASAP was dead in the water. And trust me, they would be dumb enough to fire a good pilot for an honest mistake.
04-27-2007, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
And trust me, they would be dumb enough to fire a good pilot for an honest mistake.
04-27-2007, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
sure it doesnt happen often, but even one wrongful termination would be unacceptable. if skywest can fire you for being rude to crew scheduling (they have done so before) then they can fire you for anything. At any rate theres no legal protection from losing your job if you file an ASAP report. SKW has a caveat that they can take action against you and fire you- its called no contract and they can afford lawyers and you cant. Fire at will!
If you want to fight a (truely) wrongful termination you can. Would there be some cost, sure. However, there are attorneys out their that are just foaming at the mouth to battle an airline on one of these types of cases.
ASAP works. However, if you think the FAA is coming down on you for an ASAP report, I suggest calling Alan Armstrong. Alan represents airmen, aircraft operators and FAA certified repair stations in aviation enforcement proceedings before the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration. One of the better guys out their. His office is in Atlanta.
04-27-2007, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
Information submitted to the ERC as an ASAP report is automatically linked and sent to the ASRS database to be "used" by all of aviation. No need to submit both types of report. So technically, the ASAP information is available (de-identified, of course) to anyone that looks into the ASRS database.
As far as needing protection from the Evil Skywest Chiefs, I would doubt in this hiring environment that the management of any carrier is looking for reasons to suspend or fire pilots. That just does not make any sense.
As far as needing protection from the Evil Skywest Chiefs, I would doubt in this hiring environment that the management of any carrier is looking for reasons to suspend or fire pilots. That just does not make any sense.
04-27-2007, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
sure it doesnt happen often, but even one wrongful termination would be unacceptable. if skywest can fire you for being rude to crew scheduling (they have done so before) then they can fire you for anything. At any rate theres no legal protection from losing your job if you file an ASAP report. SKW has a caveat that they can take action against you and fire you- its called no contract and they can afford lawyers and you cant. Fire at will!
04-28-2007, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Wrongful termination even happens in the US Government. Just ask the Supreme Court Justices that got fired.
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