Skywest ATC Warnings?????
06-01-2019, 10:32 PM
#51
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Position: EMB 145 FO
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Originally Posted by fosters
His post went over your head, didn't it 
Guys, this is why you need ALPA. It ain't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than what you got now
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Here's the original memo:
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To all crews:
ATC is WATCHING you!!!!
Over the past several months there has been a dramatic increase in the number of pilot deviations involving SkyWest Aircraft in the national airspace system. As a result of this, ATC and the Chief Pilots’ will be enforcing a zero tolerance policy for ATC deviations.
ATC doesn’t like to take action against pilots if it can be helped, but the amount of deviations needs to be curbed and from now on ATC will be taking action in all pilot deviations regardless of whether a loss of separation occurred or not.
ATC managers call us anytime there is a pilot deviation of any kind. If a deviation is reported to us by ATC you will be called in to the Chief Pilots office for counseling.
We realize that the vast majority of you operate in a safe, conscientious and vigilant manner and appreciate your attention to detail. Please help your passengers, SkyWest, and ATC out by continuing to foster this mentality in your peers.
Use good radio procedures, CRM, follow SOP and most of all stay sharp and professional! The gun sights are on us and we don’t want to see anyone of you involved in certificate action.
Call anytime with questions.
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So let's see - a zero tolerance policy now in effect. I wonder if they are going to continue submitting ASAP reports? That's some choice - screw up and submit an ASAP to protect your certificate but lose your job or risk not filling out an ASAP but lose your job and certificates if the FAA catches you...sweet.
Guys, this is why you need ALPA. It ain't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than what you got now
.Here's the original memo:
-----------------
To all crews:
ATC is WATCHING you!!!!
Over the past several months there has been a dramatic increase in the number of pilot deviations involving SkyWest Aircraft in the national airspace system. As a result of this, ATC and the Chief Pilots’ will be enforcing a zero tolerance policy for ATC deviations.
ATC doesn’t like to take action against pilots if it can be helped, but the amount of deviations needs to be curbed and from now on ATC will be taking action in all pilot deviations regardless of whether a loss of separation occurred or not.
ATC managers call us anytime there is a pilot deviation of any kind. If a deviation is reported to us by ATC you will be called in to the Chief Pilots office for counseling.
We realize that the vast majority of you operate in a safe, conscientious and vigilant manner and appreciate your attention to detail. Please help your passengers, SkyWest, and ATC out by continuing to foster this mentality in your peers.
Use good radio procedures, CRM, follow SOP and most of all stay sharp and professional! The gun sights are on us and we don’t want to see anyone of you involved in certificate action.
Call anytime with questions.
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So let's see - a zero tolerance policy now in effect. I wonder if they are going to continue submitting ASAP reports? That's some choice - screw up and submit an ASAP to protect your certificate but lose your job or risk not filling out an ASAP but lose your job and certificates if the FAA catches you...sweet.
06-02-2019, 07:38 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by mking84
Love it! Enjoy your direct relationship!
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06-02-2019, 12:22 PM
#53
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2007.
those quick upgrAdz.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
those quick upgrAdz.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
06-03-2019, 08:09 AM
#54
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“To all crews:
ATC is WATCHING you!!!!
Over the past several months there has been a dramatic increase in the number of pilot deviations involving SkyWest Aircraft in the national airspace system. As a result of this, ATC and the Chief Pilots’ will be enforcing a zero tolerance policy for ATC deviations.
ATC doesn’t like to take action against pilots if it can be helped, but the amount of deviations needs to be curbed and from now on ATC will be taking action in all pilot deviations regardless of whether a loss of separation occurred or not.
ATC managers call us anytime there is a pilot deviation of any kind. If a deviation is reported to us by ATC you will be called in to the Chief Pilots office for counseling.
We realize that the vast majority of you operate in a safe, conscientious and vigilant manner and appreciate your attention to detail. Please help your passengers, SkyWest, and ATC out by continuing to foster this mentality in your peers.
Use good radio procedures, CRM, follow SOP and most of all stay sharp and professional! The gun sights are on us and we don’t want to see anyone of you involved in certificate action.
Call anytime with questions.”
Curious if this type of labor management relations still exists? This memo is very punitive and counter to a advancing safety. It is 100% anti-just culture. Do they still issue memos with threats in them?
ATC is WATCHING you!!!!
Over the past several months there has been a dramatic increase in the number of pilot deviations involving SkyWest Aircraft in the national airspace system. As a result of this, ATC and the Chief Pilots’ will be enforcing a zero tolerance policy for ATC deviations.
ATC doesn’t like to take action against pilots if it can be helped, but the amount of deviations needs to be curbed and from now on ATC will be taking action in all pilot deviations regardless of whether a loss of separation occurred or not.
ATC managers call us anytime there is a pilot deviation of any kind. If a deviation is reported to us by ATC you will be called in to the Chief Pilots office for counseling.
We realize that the vast majority of you operate in a safe, conscientious and vigilant manner and appreciate your attention to detail. Please help your passengers, SkyWest, and ATC out by continuing to foster this mentality in your peers.
Use good radio procedures, CRM, follow SOP and most of all stay sharp and professional! The gun sights are on us and we don’t want to see anyone of you involved in certificate action.
Call anytime with questions.”
Curious if this type of labor management relations still exists? This memo is very punitive and counter to a advancing safety. It is 100% anti-just culture. Do they still issue memos with threats in them?
06-03-2019, 08:30 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,203
Originally Posted by Nevjets
“To all crews:
ATC is WATCHING you!!!!
Over the past several months there has been a dramatic increase in the number of pilot deviations involving SkyWest Aircraft in the national airspace system. As a result of this, ATC and the Chief Pilots’ will be enforcing a zero tolerance policy for ATC deviations.
ATC doesn’t like to take action against pilots if it can be helped, but the amount of deviations needs to be curbed and from now on ATC will be taking action in all pilot deviations regardless of whether a loss of separation occurred or not.
ATC managers call us anytime there is a pilot deviation of any kind. If a deviation is reported to us by ATC you will be called in to the Chief Pilots office for counseling.
We realize that the vast majority of you operate in a safe, conscientious and vigilant manner and appreciate your attention to detail. Please help your passengers, SkyWest, and ATC out by continuing to foster this mentality in your peers.
Use good radio procedures, CRM, follow SOP and most of all stay sharp and professional! The gun sights are on us and we don’t want to see anyone of you involved in certificate action.
Call anytime with questions.”
Curious if this type of labor management relations still exists? This memo is very punitive and counter to a advancing safety. It is 100% anti-just culture. Do they still issue memos with threats in them?
ATC is WATCHING you!!!!
Over the past several months there has been a dramatic increase in the number of pilot deviations involving SkyWest Aircraft in the national airspace system. As a result of this, ATC and the Chief Pilots’ will be enforcing a zero tolerance policy for ATC deviations.
ATC doesn’t like to take action against pilots if it can be helped, but the amount of deviations needs to be curbed and from now on ATC will be taking action in all pilot deviations regardless of whether a loss of separation occurred or not.
ATC managers call us anytime there is a pilot deviation of any kind. If a deviation is reported to us by ATC you will be called in to the Chief Pilots office for counseling.
We realize that the vast majority of you operate in a safe, conscientious and vigilant manner and appreciate your attention to detail. Please help your passengers, SkyWest, and ATC out by continuing to foster this mentality in your peers.
Use good radio procedures, CRM, follow SOP and most of all stay sharp and professional! The gun sights are on us and we don’t want to see anyone of you involved in certificate action.
Call anytime with questions.”
Curious if this type of labor management relations still exists? This memo is very punitive and counter to a advancing safety. It is 100% anti-just culture. Do they still issue memos with threats in them?
06-03-2019, 11:39 AM
#56
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Originally Posted by amcnd
There also watching Envoy as two pilot there are facing the same thing.. way to dredge up and feed of a 12 year old post to help your alpa drive....
06-03-2019, 05:33 PM
#57
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Skywest ATC Warnings?????
Originally Posted by amcnd
There also watching Envoy as two pilot there are facing the same thing.. way to dredge up and feed of a 12 year old post to help your alpa drive....
I know it was an old thread referring to the union drive 12 years ago. I had no idea it existed until someone else resurrected it. But my question still stands. Do they still send out punitive memos with threats?
As for envoy, I don’t know about their labor management relations either (at least they have a to help if it’s bad). You know that their management sends out these same kind of memos also?
It’s not my ALPA drive. It’s the Skywest ALPA drive. If you can call it that yet.
06-03-2019, 11:28 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by RickRoss
Resurrection of a 12 year old post...nice!
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06-04-2019, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
I know it was an old thread referring to the union drive 12 years ago. I had no idea it existed until someone else resurrected it. But my question still stands. Do they still send out punitive memos with threats?
As for envoy, I don’t know about their labor management relations either (at least they have a to help if it’s bad). You know that their management sends out these same kind of memos also?
It’s not my ALPA drive. It’s the Skywest ALPA drive. If you can call it that yet.
As for envoy, I don’t know about their labor management relations either (at least they have a to help if it’s bad). You know that their management sends out these same kind of memos also?
It’s not my ALPA drive. It’s the Skywest ALPA drive. If you can call it that yet.
06-04-2019, 05:27 AM
#60
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
I know it was an old thread referring to the union drive 12 years ago. I had no idea it existed until someone else resurrected it. But my question still stands. Do they still send out punitive memos with threats?
In the case of OO the CMO seemed to be "triggered" by the total number of occurrences of undesirable events. Due to the large size of OO, a bottom-feeder could have twice the per-capita occurrences compared to OO, but OO could still have 2-3 more total events. I think OO got unfairly singled out for that reason, and had to react.
As I said, it was always after all of the touchy-feely just culture methods had been exhausted.
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