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Old 04-03-2019, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
Here's an important point to remember:

There are no lifers at AA WO's who are there because they have no choice.

There are plenty of lifers at every other regional, who are stuck even if they want out.
Not true. AA doesn't force you to flow or you can delay as long as you want.
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Old 04-03-2019, 12:08 PM
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Not true. AA doesn't force you to flow or you can delay as long as you want.
That’s what he’s saying... that there are no lifers at AA regionals, except by choice.
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Old 04-04-2019, 06:26 AM
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So when I hit 8000 hours in the coming years, should I take a leave of absence? What the hell?


What you have to do once you become an untrainable is flunk recurrent so you become an FO, then upgrade again to prove you can still be trained!


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Old 04-04-2019, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I think it's more of a mindset than a timeline. Plenty of 10-15+ year guys going to the legacies now that they are hiring.

I've even been surprised when a few old "I'd only leave for DAL or FDX" guys (who I though were just saying that as an excuse) have recently left for DAL or FDX.
Kinda tells ya something about AAG doesn’t it that guys would rather stay several years a senior Eagle CA and wait for Delta or Fedex than flow to AA.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:56 AM
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Also to clear the record. Everyone uses the standard "in your 50s with kids reasoning." There are some of us with kids approaching teenage years in our 30s.

Same problem as someone who is supposedly older, what's more important? Time with your kids before they hate you for a decade or money.
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Old 04-04-2019, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw View Post
Also to clear the record. Everyone uses the standard "in your 50s with kids reasoning." There are some of us with kids approaching teenage years in our 30s.

Same problem as someone who is supposedly older, what's more important? Time with your kids before they hate you for a decade or money.
It’s not the same problem. In your 30’s you’ll have plenty of time with them once they grow out of the hate you phase.... not so much for those over 50 guys with not yet teens....

You also tend to view life and family differently when there are much fewer days ahead than behind. Jobs are replaceable, family isn’t.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop View Post
Not true. AA doesn't force you to flow or you can delay as long as you want.
That's true today. In the old days the flow was mandatory, and AA mainline also forced you to upgrade when you were senior enough, ie couldn't camp out at the top of the FO list.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw View Post
Also to clear the record. Everyone uses the standard "in your 50s with kids reasoning." There are some of us with kids approaching teenage years in our 30s.

Same problem as someone who is supposedly older, what's more important? Time with your kids before they hate you for a decade or money.
I would say that's true with kids regardless of your age, what matters is the age of the kids. At least in your 30's you could hang with the kids and still have a shot at the majors once they're gone.

But if you can move to a junior base, major airline reserve can often be a good deal... if you don't have to commute
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Old 04-05-2019, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
That's true today. In the old days the flow was mandatory, and AA mainline also forced you to upgrade when you were senior enough, ie couldn't camp out at the top of the FO list.
When was the flow mandatory?
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When was the flow mandatory?
I recall some senior guys got forced to flow at one point about ten years ago, some guys that didn't want to. I think there was a union controversy over that?
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