Regional lifers. Why are they stuck?
04-17-2019 | 08:39 PM
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Nope, not the first 35, not the 824, not the protected pilots. Nobody after 9-11 was forced to transfer. Pressured to go yes, but nobody was forced that I’m aware of. There was a large group pushing for “must flow” but I’ve never been a fan of mob rule. The key wording as I recall was “opportunity to flow” which was interpreted at the time to mean they did not have to avail themselves of the opportunity. It was a heated debate at the time, but as I recall, it ended up being voluntary only.
04-19-2019 | 05:01 AM
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Even during the 2008 recession there was at least 2 regionals hiring continuously throughout the lowest of the low. Colgan, Republic, Mesa/Go Jets and Skywest were filling classes. Cfi jobs were also easy pickings for anyone with decent experience. So again this victim attitude doesn't work. If you want a job there are always going to be regional jobs to put food on the table. They may not be in your choice of domicile or the most attractive but there were jobs available continuously throughout 2007-2011. If you werent able to get hired as a cfi you were probably underqualified at that time.
Staying at a regional because you are afraid of another downturn is idiotic. A regional job is easily replaceable and is in itself no way secure. Work for an airline that writes thechecks.
Staying at a regional because you are afraid of another downturn is idiotic. A regional job is easily replaceable and is in itself no way secure. Work for an airline that writes thechecks.
04-19-2019 | 08:45 AM
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Nope, not the first 35, not the 824, not the protected pilots. Nobody after 9-11 was forced to transfer. Pressured to go yes, but nobody was forced that I’m aware of. There was a large group pushing for “must flow” but I’ve never been a fan of mob rule. The key wording as I recall was “opportunity to flow” which was interpreted at the time to mean they did not have to avail themselves of the opportunity. It was a heated debate at the time, but as I recall, it ended up being voluntary only.
What most in my peer group at Eagle didn’t like was the fact that those that declared Flow created a flow back spot—and then didn’t want to go? That hurt junior pilots.
Bottom line is a flow agreement is a carrot on a stick, but as time goes on that carrot gets eaten away.
04-20-2019 | 02:57 AM
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So I can't comment on what has happened in the past? Don't tell me what I can and cannot discuss. Mind your own damn business and worry about yourself.
Dwelling? Telling the history of preferential hiring at the majors is now "dwelling"? Once again, mind you your own damn business, not mine.
Dwelling? Telling the history of preferential hiring at the majors is now "dwelling"? Once again, mind you your own damn business, not mine.
If there truly is a so called “hiring discrimination”... it should be noted that women and minorities endured that for much MUCH longer in this industry.
From what I have seen, I have noticed a few women that I know get picked up at legacy carriers w/ no TPIC time and a short stint at the regionals... but I also can say of the ones I have seen, they are quality people, great individuals and I cannot take away their accomplishments and blame it on their gender. Same goes for minority’s. Those accusations of ones success in moving on due to skin color and gender alone completely take away the whole body of work those individuals accomplished.
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04-20-2019 | 07:03 AM
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No waivers, no favors...
04-20-2019 | 12:26 PM
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I never get why this argument never dies; yes, there was huge injustices minorities faced in the history of this country, many biases still go on today (I mean look at politics to this day); but, for the average white dude like myself it sucks that we may never get to United, Delta or American but if we were Asian or African American and our name was Jennifer or Megan we would be guaranteed to make it to a legacy carrier. No matter how hard we work, no amount of volunteering or leadership positions will do us as much good as being female or having anything other than European ancestry. That's not fair either. Why can't people see both sides?
04-20-2019 | 01:18 PM
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I never get why this argument never dies; yes, there was huge injustices minorities faced in the history of this country, many biases still go on today (I mean look at politics to this day); but, for the average white dude like myself it sucks that we may never get to United, Delta or American but if we were Asian or African American and our name was Jennifer or Megan we would be guaranteed to make it to a legacy carrier. No matter how hard we work, no amount of volunteering or leadership positions will do us as much good as being female or having anything other than European ancestry. That's not fair either. Why can't people see both sides?
04-20-2019 | 03:13 PM
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That coupled with seniority, living on base, and having a real cush job is why there is regional lifers. But also why there are ACMI lifers, corporate lifers, etc. In the game of aviation, some pick where they settled, and others fell from a storm and landed where they are.
04-20-2019 | 07:41 PM
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I never get why this argument never dies; yes, there was huge injustices minorities faced in the history of this country, many biases still go on today (I mean look at politics to this day); but, for the average white dude like myself it sucks that we may never get to United, Delta or American but if we were Asian or African American and our name was Jennifer or Megan we would be guaranteed to make it to a legacy carrier. No matter how hard we work, no amount of volunteering or leadership positions will do us as much good as being female or having anything other than European ancestry. That's not fair either. Why can't people see both sides?
Control the things you can control. Try not to be an “average white dude”. Good luck to you.
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04-21-2019 | 01:00 AM
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I get the history, still sucks that I have less of a chance of reaching my dream just because I'm of European ancestry and a male.
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