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dera 04-30-2019 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2811893)
76 seaters are not being added to any regional fleet in the US. If they made such a machine it would be to replace existing 76 seat aircraft at best. Considering the cost of an airframe - and the engineering to mount a GTF nacelle on the empennage I can see why they say there’s no savings.

Wait what? XJT is not getting their 175's? Neither is Envoy?

OpMidClimax 04-30-2019 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2811917)
Wait what? XJT is not getting their 175's? Neither is Envoy?

I believe they are talking about additional 76 planes at the legacies. All are scoped out and they are just moving numbers around..

dera 04-30-2019 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2811922)
I believe they are talking about additional 76 planes at the legacies. All are scoped out and they are just moving numbers around..

So who is losing 14 76-seaters for AA this year because Envoy is getting 14 (or 16) new airframes in 2019.

I believe they are talking out of their a**.

OpMidClimax 04-30-2019 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2811926)
So who is losing 14 76-seaters for AA this year because Envoy is getting 14 (or 16) new airframes in 2019.

I believe they are talking out of their a**.

Several aa ffd have lost flying this year. AA is maxed out on scope for 76 seats, especially with the reduction in NB fleet occurring this year.

dera 04-30-2019 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 2811936)
Several aa ffd have lost flying this year. AA is maxed out on scope for 76 seats, especially with the reduction in NB fleet occurring this year.

76 seaters? Who?
Who even provides 76-seat feed for AA? Compass, Envoy, Mesa and Republic? Who of them has lost flying in any meaningful numbers this year?

msprj2 04-30-2019 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2811893)
76 seaters are not being added to any regional fleet in the US. If they made such a machine it would be to replace existing 76 seat aircraft at best. Considering the cost of an airframe - and the engineering to mount a GTF nacelle on the empennage I can see why they say there’s no savings.

Then why are MIT and emb designing new RJ’s? It’s replacement for current ones

galaxy flyer 04-30-2019 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2811985)
Then why are MIT and emb designing new RJ’s? It’s replacement for current ones

Because they misjudged the possibility of further scope relaxation OR misjudged the weight issues with new designs using GTF engines.

GF

No Land 3 04-30-2019 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2811953)
76 seaters? Who?
Who even provides 76-seat feed for AA? Compass, Envoy, Mesa and Republic? Who of them has lost flying in any meaningful numbers this year?

PSA flies CRJ's exclusively

Baradium 04-30-2019 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2811926)
So who is losing 14 76-seaters for AA this year because Envoy is getting 14 (or 16) new airframes in 2019.

I believe they are talking out of their a**.

AA is just entering negotiations, there has been no scope relaxation. Scope limits are also why United is pulling this CRJ-550 deal and why there are operators flying the EMB-175SC. Even if nothing had been announced yet, planes will come out of service somewhere before Envoy will take new airframes in 76 seat configuration. There is no way around that without a scope change and no mainline group is willing to do it.

Baradium 04-30-2019 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by msprj2 (Post 2811985)
Then why are MIT and emb designing new RJ’s? It’s replacement for current ones

If they can get one out that makes it into scope limits, it could end up being huge for them. Otherwise, they end up with another plane like the EMB-175E2 that they can't make work.


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