Originally Posted by shanejj

Well...
If aviation is going down, is already down, or went down yestarday, I still would love to fly...in the airlines...despite, like all of you said, management screwing you after you've been screwed.
I'm not trying to be the good boy soldier here....but...I believe that no one can just walk away from something they've been in for over 20 years...or have always dreamed of doing...
If it's bad....like you said...you adapt....you overcome....you improvise

Originally Posted by flynavyj

i believe it was improvise, adapt and overcome...but neway. Shane, i'd get yourself through training before you make the "glorious days" spiel, the job isn't bad, but it's not the same dream you were probably dreaming...this you'll probably understand once the "wow, i'm flying a jet" wears off.

Skyhigh, we all know that this industry destroyed you, and your brothers...or, you could look at it a different way. This industry made you, made you into what you are. Now, that could either be a man who's ecstatic about controlling his own destiny and his current/future earning potential, or...a man who's broken because he dreams nightly of flying, and hasn't been able to quench that yet.

Dreams and responsibilities are two separate things. It isn't however, impossible for a person to live their dream and do so responsibly. In the two income families of today, a person doesn't need to make $150k to be successful. If a person was content at the regional levels 90% of them will allow you to max at 100k+ or at least very close to it. And for a person who got into that in their early 20's, that would put them there by the time they're forty, and still have 20(25) years left of it, and at the most crucial times (college for your kids).

Also, i'm sure your kids (skyhigh) like having a safe car, a nice house, health insurance, etc. But i bet they don't know it. Heck, if the electricity isn't cutting out, the car doesn't break down on the way to the grocery store, and they're not dying of disease, then most kids will be very happy. Whether you're in a Bentley, or a Chevy Aveo, but would you?

Originally Posted by shanejj

Yeah...I know...lemme get through training first before thinking of the f/a's.....and the overnight trips...
I most likely have SJS....
Skyhigh really does love aviation....
I dont think he'll put his 20 somethin years to waste.
Besides....he's on APC all the time

Originally Posted by SkyHigh

I am here because I love aviation and you guys are all I have left of 20 years of effort.

I love to fly, but flying didn't love me back. As with a bad girlfriend, at some point you have to pull up some self respect and get on with your life.

SkyHigh

Originally Posted by flynavyj

sky-

I think the generalities you use to describe the workers of this industry are no better than the ones the workers use to describe you. For every one of your remarks is another success story, and for everyone of the other individuals is another failure. Of my college friends who were majoring in aviation, the majority didn't pursue the airline jobs for one reason or another. For some it was cost, for others passion, for others job security. We all still get together and hang out every now and again, the the truth, we're all happy. Yeah, as a pilot a complain to my co-workers are about things in the industry, but it isn't bad, just as my friends complain to their co-workers, and everyday we'll all get up, and go to our chosen profession. And if 10 years down the line, we choose that this job isn't right for us anymore, what difference does it make? Time to go do something different, and be "successful". Heck skyhigh, we should all be so lucky right? then we could end up like you.

Originally Posted by Ellen

You can disagree all you want. (You'll know soon enough working at PSA what tough is)

Besides, where did I ever say she was selling her body? I never did say what she does there. She could waitress, bartend, manage, etc. . .

It's easy to see how many of you jumped to conclusions that she is a dancer based on two words (Gentleman's Club). In fact, many of you jump to all sorts of conclusions based upon your responses to the variety of posts in the threads on this site.

This is the primary reason why I think a DEGREE and EXPERIENCE (wisdom) is important as an airline pilot. THIS is why LOW TIME pilots should not be in the cockpit of a commercial airplane. Could you imagine if these pilots jumped to a conclusion regarding the operating safety of an aircraft with people in the back? I can imagine it, and it's quite frightening.

My suggestion is that before many of you regurgitate your thoughts, that you might want to pause a minute or two and think about what you are going to say. You would do yourself a service by sticking your foot in your mouth in private vs. in front of everyone. However, you wouldn't learn about humility that way.

Originally Posted by McNasty

Oh snap, you got served son!!!