Are companies warehousing pilots?
06-10-2019, 08:54 AM
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Are companies warehousing pilots?
It certainly doesn’t seem to be the case at my regional, but I have a number of friends at other regionals who indicate they are seeing long reserve times with very little flying hours, sometimes single digits a month. In some cases (Horizon) even lineholders don’t seem to be getting much time. They are getting PAID of course, at least minimum guarantee, but for the junior people there (and I’m talking junior in flying hours) they are not accumulating turbine 121 time or TT at a very good rate.
Could be when the peak of the retirement wave hits in 3-4 years that having 3000 TT with maybe 500 TPIC will be enough to be competitive, I don’t know, but unless utilization rates change it seems unlikely some of the new hires will have much more than that, especially the RATP guys.
And this has to be costing management some money. I just don’t get it.
Could be when the peak of the retirement wave hits in 3-4 years that having 3000 TT with maybe 500 TPIC will be enough to be competitive, I don’t know, but unless utilization rates change it seems unlikely some of the new hires will have much more than that, especially the RATP guys.
And this has to be costing management some money. I just don’t get it.
06-10-2019, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
It certainly doesn’t seem to be the case at my regional, but I have a number of friends at other regionals who indicate they are seeing long reserve times with very little flying hours, sometimes single digits a month. In some cases (Horizon) even lineholders don’t seem to be getting much time. They are getting PAID of course, at least minimum guarantee, but for the junior people there (and I’m talking junior in flying hours) they are not accumulating turbine 121 time or TT at a very good rate.
Could be when the peak of the retirement wave hits in 3-4 years that having 3000 TT with maybe 500 TPIC will be enough to be competitive, I don’t know, but unless utilization rates change it seems unlikely some of the new hires will have much more than that, especially the RATP guys.
And this has to be costing management some money. I just don’t get it.
Could be when the peak of the retirement wave hits in 3-4 years that having 3000 TT with maybe 500 TPIC will be enough to be competitive, I don’t know, but unless utilization rates change it seems unlikely some of the new hires will have much more than that, especially the RATP guys.
And this has to be costing management some money. I just don’t get it.
06-10-2019, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Mesa on there earnings call said they were “wearhousing” as you call it. By 100 pilots. Horizon air has mentioned the same...
06-10-2019, 01:32 PM
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Endeavor has a warehouse full of pilots because "growth!"
PSA has a warehouse full of pilots because the airline needs a place to find pilots the next time that their scheduling software crashes.
Horizon has a warehouse full of pilots because they don't want to get fired by Alaska this time.
Brickyard not only has a warehouse full of pilots, but they also have a factory in which they build pilots. That's vertical integration to the next level.
PSA has a warehouse full of pilots because the airline needs a place to find pilots the next time that their scheduling software crashes.
Horizon has a warehouse full of pilots because they don't want to get fired by Alaska this time.
Brickyard not only has a warehouse full of pilots, but they also have a factory in which they build pilots. That's vertical integration to the next level.
06-10-2019, 04:04 PM
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I think they were all thinking there was going to be some kind of scope relief from UAL and there would all of a sudden be a lot of new flying. Those with the pilots to staff it would get it, and they could charge more for that due to decreased bid competition. Thankfully UAL pilots dind't give an inch on scope relief (thus far).
06-10-2019, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stabapch
Other than Horizon, which ones are you referring to?
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Originally Posted by preflight View Post
Serious question:
With many reserve pilots averaging less than 10hrs block every month, why are we posting 200 premium pay?
6 hrs last month, 7 in April. Off to a good start for June with 3 already
Longest between flights was 28 days.
Originally Posted by preflight View Post
Serious question:
With many reserve pilots averaging less than 10hrs block every month, why are we posting 200 premium pay?
6 hrs last month, 7 in April. Off to a good start for June with 3 already
Longest between flights was 28 days.
06-10-2019, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Endeavor has a warehouse full of pilots because "growth!"
PSA has a warehouse full of pilots because the airline needs a place to find pilots the next time that their scheduling software crashes.
Horizon has a warehouse full of pilots because they don't want to get fired by Alaska this time.
Brickyard not only has a warehouse full of pilots, but they also have a factory in which they build pilots. That's vertical integration to the next level.
PSA has a warehouse full of pilots because the airline needs a place to find pilots the next time that their scheduling software crashes.
Horizon has a warehouse full of pilots because they don't want to get fired by Alaska this time.
Brickyard not only has a warehouse full of pilots, but they also have a factory in which they build pilots. That's vertical integration to the next level.
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