As crew it's riskier because booze and bedrooms are inevitably freely available. Witnesses are often not available. Not like going to the corner pub after work at 5:30 with ten co-workers.

I think I need to apologize. I didn't realize I was in the company of such pilot studs (young AND old!) It must be tough to have to fight off the crazies who want to bang you , then cry rape.

Hope some of you will have the nuts to post your fabulous photo!

I don’t slam click out of fear of punishment from some mythical skydaddy. I just don’t like drama or dealing with other people’s bull****.

I used to.
I don’t anymore.

The are creeper pilots out there too, and I'm sure the FA's are having a similar conversation over on their forum. But we have to look at it from our perspective.

Exhibit A.

Pretty pathetic that women have so much power over men that a simple accusation it all it takes these days.

The sad thing is that there will be many more "wine aunts" in the future because of this kind of culture.

That's funny since we've come to numbering our creepers to keep 'em straight!:D

Pornhub offering online degrees now?

I don’t even share elevators at airports or hotels with female flight attendants. It’s paranoia, sure, but it’s also out of principal. They can accuse you of anything at any time and if you think your company would even consider your side of the story before they fire you you’re delusional.

Just don’t.

The trend I noticed (previously doing representation) was for sure there were definitely legitimate accusations.

The majority of the false accusations typically surfaced around the time the FA was up for probation review or had an attendance issue hanging over their heads.

There were many pilots guilty of having their fingers in too many pies the above being said.

Now i think about it, more of the issues arose from female/male pilot combos than FA’s pointing fingers.

If they don’t even consider your side of the story what makes you think being in the elevator or not would make a difference?

Someone making a bogus claim prefers that it cannot be readily dis-proven.

That's why actual sexual relations, or at least being alone in a hotel room, are easy pickings for someone looking for a #metoo payday.

If you stay in public view, there's always the chance of surveillance video disproving a bogus claim. IMO it's more about removing temptation and minimizing your vulnerability. I'm not paranoid, but I am conscious of it.

If you're single or otherwise "in play", there's a whole additional set of considerations. My consideration is just to not have unaccounted for time out of public view.

My views have changed dramatically, I recently vocally supported one co-worker (the female) in a he-said/she-said situation. Boy was I wrong, turned out the plaintiff was trying to deflect serious discipline by twisting poor judgement into a rape claim. It's for real fellas.

I’m 100% about plausible deniability but never being in an elevator is pretty excessive.

In reality I'm too lazy to wait for the next one, and most of them have video now anyway.

If someone makes a claim, you're pretty much fired and done in 121 unless you can IMMEDIATELY produce video exonerating yourself. Otherwise the company will wash their hands of you and move on. They don't care if they have to fight YOU in court later, what they REALLY cannot risk is the media doing a big expose about why you were NOT fired instantly... in the media you are absolutely guilty, and can probably never be exonerated. An accused abuser who turns out to be innocent is waaaaay off message, and doesn't sell papers anyway.

Yeah, what ever happened to that Alaska guy? Get his job back? Retired?

Kind of surprised—-shocked even—-by the majority of responses of guys.

Now I’m trying to figure out if they are overly cautious/pessimistic..or if I am not enough.

"Wait until it happens to you!"

:rolleyes:

Just be a decent person. If something feels wrong or uncomfortable don't do it.

This thread is pathetic. Just be a good human.

The Facebook group “Pilot Wives” knows EVERYTHING.
Just saying.

So you're saying, if you want to bang a flight attendant, better do it in public view? :)

Married to a 121 pilot as a pilot (ACMI/91K/121) for over 20 years. Never worked together. Both of us enjoy having a beer with the crew either one on one or with a group. Never any problem. Maybe some of the problem children should have been weeded out?

It's not about looks, most men in their twenties these days want to be NEETs, playing video games in their parent's basements. Pilots, by default moved to the top of the food chain.

Sweet! A new term to learn. What’s a NEET? Is that kind of like an Incel?

No education, employment, or training.

It’s not 1974 or even 2004 anymore. Being a “good human” is too ambiguous.

You sound like the kind of guy that would be struck with the wide-eyed stare of shock and maybe a little cognitive dissonance when you get called into the CP office over something like this.

Don’t let some thot ruin your career because she thought you weren’t being the “good human” you think you are.

Give them no opportunity.

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Hahahaha love the reference.
Laughed so hard my ribs hurt.

Actually have an issue of this nature is exceptionally unlikely.

But if you do, you'll be instantly sacrificed on the altar of PR. That was the big wake up call for me. No explanations required or desired.

The company wants you to avoid getting embroiled in this kind of situation. They don't care whether or not you actually assault anyone.

The legal system really needs to throw the book at ANYONE, regardless of gender, race, etc whom falsely accuses another of sexual assault.

Forget getting taken to the cleaners civilly.......I’m talking CRIMINAL charges with 5 years in the slammer.

If one can get that sentence for willfully omitting something on a med certificate app, why shouldn’t a much more serious offense warrant at least as much time behind bars??

Why??

The fact that you’re referring to someone as a Thot makes me feel like you don’t have a very nuanced understanding of how to act around women.

There are already criminal statutes about false accusations, the penalties for which involve jail time.

You’re kind of right. I used to be on point with knowing how to behave around women. I used to enjoy the flirtatious banter at work among other places. But with the advent of IG, tinder, #metoo, etc, I just don’t care to “act” in any way just to appease some thot at work.

The fact that you think you have to put on an “act” points to the very problem this thread is addressing; the disproportionate power FAs have over you despite having far less invested in their careers with little to no consequence regarding the authenticity of their claims.

Same is true for female pilots. I’ll drop a trip if I see that I’ll be sharing the cockpit with a female. Nothing personal. Nothing against her abilities. There are certain career problems that I want to stay LIGHTYEARS away from. DUI and false accusations come immediately to mind. I’ve worked way to hard to get blindsided by any of that.

Give them no opportunity.

That's a bit over the top.

Borderline insane.

We live and work in an insane world.

You realize that you don’t have to have “flirtatious banter” with someone just because they’re a woman, right? Just treat people like people.

“Just treat people like people.”

As opposed to what, hamsters? It’s like you used five words arranged into a sentence and somehow managed to say literally nothing.

Look, it’s just my personal approach to just be professional in my interactions with them and do it in a non-private setting. No small talk, no innuendo, just business. I get that it might seem overboard to some now, but just give it a year or two...

All men in most workplaces have targets on their backs now. Some are slower to realize it than others.

It appears that your approach is to either attempt to flirt with female coworkers or run away from them (and throwing insults over your shoulder) like you’re scared of interacting with them. That’s not exactly the hallmark of a “professional.”

No, men who don’t behave appropriately around women have targets on their backs.

You’re not exactly being professional in your interaction if you’re too terrified to fly with them.