hanging out with the F/A?
 

On layovers do you typically hangout with the flight attendants? I usually go my own way as I think it's unwise but notice others do it on the norm.

Some pilots do.

Go to the republic forum and read about “jetbridge fight” to see how that ends up working out

It really depends. Sometimes there is a camaraderie and it can be fun as with any person. In the world of the #metoo you don't want to get yourself in trouble. I've gone to baseball games, Mount Rushmore, and a load of other places with f/a s and others I don't. Honestly it's really up to you what you want to do on your layovers.

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Do whatever you want, but for the love of God make sure all your interactions take place in public. You do not want to be alone with an FA in their hotel room, as an example. Too many ways for that to go wrong, quickly. Hang around here long enough and you'll hear the stories.

Nope. The current culture and political environment has made hanging out with crews outside of work risky. I hate to say it but it’s true. I will occasionally hang out with the other pilot for dinner or something but otherwise no.

I have seen too many instances of FAs making false accusations and claims against pilots. It can and has ruined people’s lives. The reality is that the cabin crew has far less invested and far less to lose than the flight crew. Anyone telling you otherwise is naive.

I've seen and done almost all of it over the years. I was at the point of only going out with at least two other crew and only in public. Thought that was safe enough.

Then met up with an FA recently who had pre partied with her own bottle before she went out with us. Pretty much had to carry her back to the hotel. If we had gone back without her, God knows what kind of trouble she would have got into without us and the company would have doubtless called us on the carpet.

Unless it's someone I know pretty well, I'm only going in public and calling it a night before the fun really starts. If anybody gets in trouble, everyone is getting scrutinized. Even riskier at a regional, younger FAs and less chance of adult supervision.

If you’re married it’s best to be cautious. Just use sound judgment. There are a lot of great FA’s.

I do, nothing to worry about if you don’t be a creep about it and take very very basic steps to make sure you don’t look like you’re doing anything wrong.

Only one. And we're contractually obligated to do so.

I’ve shared Crashpads with FA’s and for some of them it’s their first real job or their first time away from family and they’re about to go off the reservation.
It all depends on who, what and where.
Going out for a meal with a Lead that’s got 25 years under her belt is different then party hard bubble heads.
Stay away from those.

I won’t hang out with any females alone while on a layover, flight attendant or first officer. With the litigious society that we live in, I do my best to ensure I am never put in a situation where it becomes a he said, she said scenario. It’s sad because I have flown with some really great crewmembers, but I believe in the preservation of my career over doing something fun.

For all of the reasons stated above, no.

I agree with this. It's not so much a FA thing, it's a male with female thing. If there's three of us out in public, fine. But never one on one and never EVER in private.

I fly cargo you insensitive clod! :(

LOL! This is the person who I guarantee will be the talk of the crew room when it gets out what's has been going on. Seen it many times!

No, and I wish that weren't the case. The Me Too nonsense makes it too dangerous to spend time with an FA outside of work.

Oh man, that guy had a single drink with the flight attendant at the hotel bar with dozens of witnesses, didn’t say or do anything creepy and walked back to his room alone! The horror!

The guys that always seem to get “victimized” by the metoo movement are the same ones making “innocent” jokes and giving “friendly” hugs.

Don’t touch, don’t make stupid jokes, don’t put yourself in sketchy circumstances and you have nothing to worry about.

Some FA’s are genuinely bat**** crazy and vindictive. We had a pilot in that exact scenario. One drink at hotel bar, went back to his room alone. A week later gets called to HR accused of rape. FA hooked up with some rando in the hotel and for reasons unknown, falsely accused the pilot. He eventually got his job back, but went through some serious hell before he was exonerated. It’s just not worth the risk, no matter how well you “think” you know someone.

I won’t set foot into an elevator alone with a female. Nor do I ever sit or stand next to one on public transit or engage in any conversation. It may seem a tad extreme, but I’m naturally extremely introverted and avoiding unnecessary chatter with strangers suits me just fine anyway. No I don’t sit there in stony silence ignoring the first officer I’m flying with. I do have the ability to work with others. 😃

Sweet baby Jesus! I'm not sure if this thread is more pathetic or hysterical.

For the one who won't set foot in an elevator alone with a female; maybe you're better suited to living in the middle east.

I simply will NEVER place myself in any situation that can remotely lead to any accusation of impropriety.

That sounds like it’s borderline certifiable.

Well there goes all the fun :rolleyes:

https://youtu.be/8QxIIz1yEsA

Don’t do it.

As a cautionary tale. We had a crew that decided it would be a good idea to drink a 24 pack bud light with the FA’s at the overnight hotel. One of the FA’s vomited all over her room. The hotel reported the entire crew as drinking inside the 12 hour rule. The Captain had to start over as a new hire FO at another regional. Good luck telling that story to mainline. Moreover explaining it to your wife because he had a family.

The biggest problem right there is the Bud Light.

Starter beer. But better eight of those than six triple-hops craft stouts with 12% ABV.

Comply with the FAA 8-hour rule period. That way you can still get another job like our hero above.

If you must bust the company rule (be it 12 or 10) do it at a quiet place far from the crew hotel. Wear a hat from a different/unaffiliated airline. Pay cash. Avoid cabs and uber, they might frequent the hotel and know the staff. Return via the rear/side door near your room. Don't for the love of God take any FA's with you.

I've known of multiple discipline events (usually firing) for drinking inside one limit or the other, all reported by hotel staff usually because the crew did something obnoxious to draw attention to themselves.

What I’m dying to know is why so many unstable FAs are hired in the first place!

Does HR simply not care and willfully looking the other way, or are there many who are that good at “fronting” during the interview?

Sure.......there are bad apples in every profession that slip through, butttt it sure seems like a higher % for FA.

What gives?

Fly cargo, have your girlfriends around the world, much better. Or be happily married and loyal, nothing beats that.

If you read these, it’s no higher than the APC posters.

WOW, another APC psychiatrist! Maybe the reason you think FAs are nuts is because you hang out with the wrong ones. Ya know, the young, hot, unpredictable ones. Probably hoping to get lucky, while ignoring the older ones on your crew. Hmmmm.

The job pays as little as $15K. The job involves nights away from home, bedrooms, and easy access to booze.

You get generally three stereotypes:

1. Very young, right out of HS. Usually normal, but inexperienced. Will fly for a couple years, then go get husbands, kids, jobs. It's their senior trip, may not be able to hold their booze.
2. Older, divorced, kids out of the house, alimony income (often substantial). May be serious alcoholic, but usually functional adults.
3. The rest are typically those not interested in a spouse, family and/or regular job. May be interested in alimony. This is potentially the real danger zone...

Also some normal ladies with families, they are usually not doing much partying or socializing.

Oh yeah, one other. Taking a one-year break after college before she starts med school. Ok to date and marry her.

So where are you an FA?

It's ok to platonically hang out with coworkers without trying to have sexual relations. Happens all the time believe it or not.

You and Mike Pence.

Of course it is. You generally have to be with the older, mature F/As. However, the guys who get in trouble usually avoid the "Gays, Grannies and Grandes."

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HA! Sorry but I’m soo busy slam clicking on layovers working on my degree to be going out.

Nice try though. I’m wayyy too old for that crap and drama anyway

This has come up before, good review.