My friend is in class at PSA. His class of 10 trainees has washed-out 7, they lost 3 this week in sims. My question(s) is/are ; Is the washout rate that high everywhere? Is that "normal" ?

 

Well its a perfect example of how desperate the regionals are getting...........they are hiring low low time guys and this is the result........some can cut it with 600hrs, some can't

 

I did my training at Trans States, and they had the same problem around christmas. But my class had 2 of 20 wash out, and i have heard it has stayed like that since.

I think this might be because Sim instructors havent been used to low timers and needed to approach new hires different.

 

No, this is a horrendous rate.

My PSA class of 12 lost 2, for 'attitude'. My Eagle class of 16 lost 1. He was 50+, and quit after the first sim. He said things just happened too fast & he had problems memorizing the flows.


SAABarooski is right, this is directly related to experience level. It just makes things easier on you when you've practiced it more.

s10an, there's a profile that instructors follow. You're supposed to be at a certain level of competence at a certain point. The instructors have little choice in thier approach. The training syllabus could be changed to give low times more time to catch up, but that's well above the pay grade of the sim instructors.

When I went through new hire at PSA they were very concerned about the washout rate being in the 6-10% range, and they raised their minimums after my class to get it back down to the 2-4% range. I guess that they think sim time is cheaper than QOL improvements to keep FO's around.

 

Usually the wash rate at regionals for people with zero 121 experience has been about 10%. But historically most of those pilots had 1000-2000 hours in GA and/or 135, so it's not surprising to see a high rate among low-time pilots.

If the interview process is thorough and includes a sim that number would be lower. A "pulse check" interview would result in a somewhat higher wash rate.

But 70%...that's either a coincidence that the entire class sucked, or a poor training program.

 

My question is if you do washout of a new hire class, how difficult is it to get a job with another airline?

 

Well i have to disagree.. I assume you have been an instructor yourself in the past. I was teaching at a 141 school where you follow a syllabus. You absolutly have to approach different students in different ways. This applies from a fresh student pilot to someone going for a type-rating. I personally know 200 hr pilots making it through the sim and 2000 hr pilots busting in sim.. It isnt as black and white as you make it sound like.

 

I would say tough. We had a 3,500hr CFI wash out at Express, he is still looking for a regional job, so its been 6 months and this guy is still looking. It all depends on how desperate the airline is. If there is a ton of APPS, thereare going to take a risk on a guy that already washed out of a 121 program. I would keep at it though, its not the KISS OF DEATH that all say it is

 

Yes, but you cant simply "lower" your standards to meet the lack of skill that some low times guys may have, not everybody is cut out to fly an airplane, despite how easy SKYHIGH claims it is to get a job, its not gaurenteed, if you can't cut it, you can't cut it. Airlines dont have time to spoon feed new-hires, its too expensive and too fast paced

 

That is not what i said!