Washout rates
05-08-2007 | 10:34 AM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Save your money. You're gonna need it to make it through another airline training cycle/first year or to start a second career.
What should the next step be after a 121 washout? Should I go to all ATP and go through their CRJ program, is it worth it? Would it help getting back in?
05-08-2007 | 12:49 PM
#33
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I probably wouldn't do the CRJ program unless you can't get any other job offers. In your case it might help a little, but only if your cash supply is unlimited.
I'm assuming you failed sim. If you failed groundschool it will be tougher for you because groundschool usually requires only a lot of effort, not skill or experience.
In the current hiring environment I suspect that you will be able to get back on the horse fairly quickly. A few airlines might flat-out reject you based on a wash-out (Eagle used to have that policy, but they are desperate now), but most would see you as someone who has more experience with 121 training than a CFI on the street. You at least know the hurdles involved, and were not scared away from trying again. Most CFI's have no idea what they're getting themselves into.
You need to honestly analyze your performance and figure out what you did wrong, and be able to articulate how you are prepared to correct the problem the second time around. If you honestly got sick or had major family problems, that would be a legit excuse (three guys in my first airline class got divorce papers during training, one of them actually still graduated by some miracle.)
Also get some significant instrument flying practice (probably in a SIM). You know what you were weak on, but having instruments down to the point where they are second-nature frees up some mental horsepower for other tasks (such as exploding engines at the MAP).
The good news is that once you qualify at a 121 carrier and get some time under your belt, this incident will be less significant to your long-term career prospects. As long as it's a one-time thing, most future employers will write it off to inexperience since it was your first 121 event. Good Luck!
I'm assuming you failed sim. If you failed groundschool it will be tougher for you because groundschool usually requires only a lot of effort, not skill or experience.
In the current hiring environment I suspect that you will be able to get back on the horse fairly quickly. A few airlines might flat-out reject you based on a wash-out (Eagle used to have that policy, but they are desperate now), but most would see you as someone who has more experience with 121 training than a CFI on the street. You at least know the hurdles involved, and were not scared away from trying again. Most CFI's have no idea what they're getting themselves into.
You need to honestly analyze your performance and figure out what you did wrong, and be able to articulate how you are prepared to correct the problem the second time around. If you honestly got sick or had major family problems, that would be a legit excuse (three guys in my first airline class got divorce papers during training, one of them actually still graduated by some miracle.)
Also get some significant instrument flying practice (probably in a SIM). You know what you were weak on, but having instruments down to the point where they are second-nature frees up some mental horsepower for other tasks (such as exploding engines at the MAP).
The good news is that once you qualify at a 121 carrier and get some time under your belt, this incident will be less significant to your long-term career prospects. As long as it's a one-time thing, most future employers will write it off to inexperience since it was your first 121 event. Good Luck!
05-08-2007 | 01:25 PM
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I did my training at Trans States, and they had the same problem around christmas. But my class had 2 of 20 wash out, and i have heard it has stayed like that since.
I think this might be because Sim instructors havent been used to low timers and needed to approach new hires different.
I think this might be because Sim instructors havent been used to low timers and needed to approach new hires different.
NO, it's because LOW TIMERS don't have the experience to fly a JET! Has nothing to do with the instructors. Most LOW TIMERS are just NOT ready.
05-08-2007 | 01:52 PM
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From: Fetal
"it's because LOW TIMERS don't have the experience......LOW TIMERS are just NOT ready."
For everyone's benefit, could someone define "low time"? Where do you draw the line between "low time" and "experienced"?
Not trying to start a pi$$ing match, just curious.
For everyone's benefit, could someone define "low time"? Where do you draw the line between "low time" and "experienced"?
Not trying to start a pi$$ing match, just curious.
Last edited by raress; 05-08-2007 at 01:52 PM. Reason: typo
05-08-2007 | 01:55 PM
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05-08-2007 | 01:55 PM
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From: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
"low timers" is a term given by other "low timers" with times lower than their own. ridiculous in my opinion.
a 300 hour guy is a low timer in the eye of a 1000 hour guy
a 2500 is a low timer in the eye of a 10,000 hour guy
a 10,000 hour guy is a low timer in the eye of a 25,000 hour guy
come on guys seriously I believe a 300 hour guy or woman can do this, they just have to know what theyre getting themselves into
a 300 hour guy is a low timer in the eye of a 1000 hour guy
a 2500 is a low timer in the eye of a 10,000 hour guy
a 10,000 hour guy is a low timer in the eye of a 25,000 hour guy
come on guys seriously I believe a 300 hour guy or woman can do this, they just have to know what theyre getting themselves into
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