Scope... It’s time?

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Quote: Thus is the nature of all anonymous forums.

We have over the years actually considered a variety of mechanisms to fine-tune the membership here, including a check against airline seniority lists. But ultimately anonymity has some significant benefits, so we just have to deal with a lower signal to noise ratio.
You guys should at least add downvotes and upvotes to this mod. Just like Reddit, then we'll know who's trolling or who's telling the truth.
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Quote: I'm a 15 year regional CA who generally agrees with most of your posts. Regional new hires have become progressively less capable/professional. But my question to you is, 'Are the mainline pilots going to do anything to stop outsourcing?'
The mainline pilots are trying, but trying to take back already outsourced flying is about as hard as voters demanding that the government take back established entitlement programs. At United we could have had a new contract before all of this virus mess started if we were willing to give in on scope, but the union stood their ground. Now that we’re in this mess our contract talks are on hold for a while since there are bigger issues right now, but the union has told the company that the pilots are not an ATM for the airline to run to every time that there is a problem. One of the biggest issues in our slow negotiations is scope. The company wants relief, and we will only agree to language that increases mainline protections. The long game, if we can’t improve our scope language, is to keep what we have, not allow any more big rj’s unless we get a new NB fleet type, and to let the 50 seat jets wear out and go away. 9/11 was a game changing event. After that the regionals boomed, while mainline shrank. Our current mess could be a game changer too. We have lots of NB aircraft on the way. As the industry recovers from this, are we going to change the business model and rely more on mainline aircraft, or just more of the same? We would like for every plane that says United on the side to be flown by a United pilot. The regional environment that we have today was created over decades, and it will not be brought back with one contract.
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People are getting angry because they’re not paying attention to what they are reading. Let’s pay attention, please, especially to nuances within arguments.

nobody here has said that regional pilot are “little league pilots” from the point of view of skills or responsibility.

Nobody has stated that ALL regional pilots are only a bunch of misfits incorrigible people. Literally nobody! If you’re reading this and you disagree with me on this, it’s because you misread a previous poster...
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Quote: Here's a potentially unpopular thought. Regionals are often compared to the farm teams for major league sports. The reason minor league players keep pushing themselves is to hopefully make it to the big leagues. Well, what happens when you have no or little hope of moving on? Complacency kicks in and you get caught in the trap of being good enough for the beer league without any thought of making it to the bigs.

If mainline had defined metrics for applicants rather than the secret squirrel BS hazing they do now, people would try harder.

Disclaimer: yes, I know there are complacent turds at mainline. They do great things like land at Ellsworth AFB or on a taxiway in ATL. There are also many highly competent, professional captains at regionals. Hell, many of those good regional captains are better than their mainline counterparts. This is just a little study in human motivation.
The metrics that the airline that I work for aren’t really in a logbook. An applicant needs a respectable amount of quality flight time, but what they are really interested in is the individual, not just a pilot who can pass all the test. That is much harder to define than saying that an applicant needs this many hours, this many type ratings, this kind of education, etc. There have never been guarantees in life or aviation, and people end up with different outcomes. If someone wants to fly for a legacy, they have to do the work, become a competitive applicant (on paper and in person), and keep trying until they get an opportunity. Some may do all of the work and still not get the call, but that is life. If they are not willing to take that chance, or become bitter during the process, aviation isn’t a good fit for them.
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It is time to significantly reduce all regional airline flying and bring the small planes in house to the majors, corona virus or not. Creates more main line jobs.
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Quote: It is time to significantly reduce all regional airline flying and bring the small planes in house to the majors, corona virus or not. Creates more main line jobs.
this topic always comes up when time are bad.... 9/11, 2008, now.. why.. Why not when times were good!! We tried with AA back in 99’ i still have my “enough is enough”, “one list” stickers. Never happened.... I think a better approach is to get E190’s, A220’s. Bridge the gap.. get rid of 50 Seat RJ’s and let the regionals fly the E175’s, 700/900’s caped at the current number of RJ’s 50-76 seat that there at now max..
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Quote: You guys should at least add downvotes and upvotes to this mod. Just like Reddit, then we'll know who's trolling or who's telling the truth.
downvotes and upvotes don’t necessarily show who’s trolling, they just show what the opinion of registered users is at that time.
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Quote: this topic always comes up when time are bad.... 9/11, 2008, now.. why.. Why not when times were good!! We tried with AA back in 99’ i still have my “enough is enough”, “one list” stickers. Never happened.... I think a better approach is to get E190’s, A220’s. Bridge the gap.. get rid of 50 Seat RJ’s and let the regionals fly the E175’s, 700/900’s caped at the current number of RJ’s 50-76 seat that there at now max..
Of course you think that, you are a Skywest lifer. That benefits you the most
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Quote: this topic always comes up when time are bad.... 9/11, 2008, now.. why.. Why not when times were good!! We tried with AA back in 99’ i still have my “enough is enough”, “one list” stickers. Never happened.... I think a better approach is to get E190’s, A220’s. Bridge the gap.. get rid of 50 Seat RJ’s and let the regionals fly the E175’s, 700/900’s caped at the current number of RJ’s 50-76 seat that there at now max..
I agree with everything except allowing the new number of 70/76 seaters to equal current fleet totals, including the 50 seaters. We should get mainline 100 seaters to bridge the gap, but keep the number of 70/76 seat jets where they are, and either scrap the 50 seat jets or let them just wear out and go away. The goal of taking back scope isn’t to increase or maintain the number of outsourced passenger seats, or protect regional jobs. It is to force the company to bring that flying back to mainline and create jobs here.
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Quote: Of course you think that, you are a Skywest lifer. That benefits you the most

ha. Nope...But why always in the bad times....thats more “benefits you” then what i said...
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