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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Sanicom is correct, my perspective is similar. The majors have a very high consistency for pilot quality. That can be measured in raw skill and also "cultural" quality which correlates to professionalism.

Regionals are menageries... you have inexperienced pilots who are developing potential, experienced pilots waiting for the call, and a few who are stuck by choice or circumstances.

But you also have incorrigible slackers, attitude cases of all stripes, deviant personalities, and misfit toys hiding out in the regional ranks. There's enough of that to make it hard for the good ones to establish a reliable safety culture... you're caught between resisting normalization of deviance and not wanting to come off as a tool.

Professionalism and SOP can be taken for granted at the majors (of course there's always the 1%).
Raw skill? Lmfao. There is a woman who drug a wingtip on a calm wind day. She’s at delta now. But raw skill, lol ok.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:08 PM
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It’s not about the quality of the player, it’s about the team that you play for. In baseball, there are more people willing to shell out big bucks to watch a major league game than a minor league game, therefore the players for the major league teams can command much higher compensation. In our sport the players for the majors control most of the games being played through scope clauses. The owners would much rather let the lower paid players take the field, but they can’t. As a result the majors have much more leverage in determining compensation levels. The experienced players in the regionals are good as well, but they lack the same leverage as those at the majors. If I could wave my magic wand I’d have the regionals make contractual gains to the point that the current whipsaw regional business model is no longer cost effective and we’d all be better off, unfortunately that isn’t the case. My original point was that the people running around saying that they are apparently good enough haul passengers for brand x at regional pay, but not for brand x pay gets a little old. Some really good pilots never get an interview, some bust for good reason, and some make it. It’s just the way that the game is played.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
Are LCC pilots major league or farm team? What about cargo? ACMI? Military? Who’s beer league? asking for a friend.
We are all just pilots. The companies have set this separation up to squeeze the most work for the lowest pay from all of us. Guys at the Big companies are employees just like the rest of us.

All pilots get paid by the same people, the passengers!
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
It’s not about the quality of the player, it’s about the team that you play for. In baseball, there are more people willing to shell out big bucks to watch a major league game than a minor league game, therefore the players for the major league teams can command much higher compensation. In our sport the players for the majors control most of the games being played through scope clauses. The owners would much rather let the lower paid players take the field, but they can’t. As a result the majors have much more leverage in determining compensation levels. The experienced players in the regionals are good as well, but they lack the same leverage as those at the majors. If I could wave my magic wand I’d have the regionals make contractual gains to the point that made the current whipsaw regional business model is no longer cost effective and we’d all be better off, unfortunately that isn’t the case. My original point was that the people running around saying that they are apparently good enough haul passengers for brand x at regional pay, but not for brand x pay gets a little old. Some really good pilots never get an interview, some bust for good reason, and some make it. It’s just the way that the game is played.
Both the legacy and the regional pilots are paid from the same checkbook.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Redheadtexas
Both the legacy and the regional pilots are paid from the same checkbook.
You're right, but the legacy pilot is holding a much bigger gun to the guy’s head writing the checks than a regional pilot is. Guess who is always going to get the bigger cut.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
You're right, but the legacy pilot is holding a much bigger gun to the guy’s head writing the checks than a regional pilot is. Guess who is always going to get the bigger cut.
Except during chapter 11.

Let's hope this crap goes away quickly for all pilots sake.

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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt123
The comparison of the regional/major airline divide to the farm team/major league sports divide is inaccurate and elementary.
no it’s very true. I haven’t see any of the childish behaviors/lack of CRM/violation of SOP I witnessed at the regionals
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
no it’s very true. I haven’t see any of the childish behaviors/lack of CRM/violation of SOP I witnessed at the regionals
Now that's funny
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
no it’s very true. I haven’t see any of the childish behaviors/lack of CRM/violation of SOP I witnessed at the regionals
Then you need to get your eyesight checked.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 07:49 PM
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One of the biggest oddities I've seen in this industry, as a second career person at a regional, is the tribal/entitlement mindset of different pilot groups. I never saw anything like that in the engineering world. The notion that "we judge others by their actions, but ourselves by our intentions" seems to be especially accurate.
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