When are the furloughs?
#61
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I certainly hope it’s only 6 months to a year, however I think most people are really underestimating the amount of damage this has already caused to the US economy and it’s just begun to accelerate. This has been wreaking havoc on the WORLD economy for months now. Our country is not independent whatsoever, which is going to make eventual recovery that much more difficult. Air travel is still a “luxury” for most Americans, so ticket purchases will never reach the capacity they were at for a long time as families struggle to recover as they’re buried further in debt. Just a two-week “stay at home quarantine” will create a huge financial setback to most Americans and we’re already pushing past 1 month of service workers losing jobs. Yes, pilots will continue to retire but I doubt we will see much growth in the industry in the foreseeable future.
#62
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A recession about to turn into a depression, wow............here's the first definition of depression I find on google:
"A depression is a severe and prolonged downturn in economic activity. In economics, a depression is commonly defined as an extreme recessionthat lasts three or more years".
I sure hope you're not an economist.
"A depression is a severe and prolonged downturn in economic activity. In economics, a depression is commonly defined as an extreme recessionthat lasts three or more years".
I sure hope you're not an economist.
Depressions are drastic economic downturns in which real GDP falls by 10% or more. They are far more severe than recessions and their effects can be felt for years. Depressions are known to cause calamities in banking, trade and manufacturing, as well as falling prices, extremely tight credit, low investment, rising bankruptcies and high unemployment. As such, getting through a depression can be a challenge for consumers and businesses alike.
#63
Well least I didn’t get it from googling...here’s a “real” definition of depression
Depressions are drastic economic downturns in which real GDP falls by 10% or more. They are far more severe than recessions and their effects can be felt for years. Depressions are known to cause calamities in banking, trade and manufacturing, as well as falling prices, extremely tight credit, low investment, rising bankruptcies and high unemployment. As such, getting through a depression can be a challenge for consumers and businesses alike.
#64
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I certainly hope it’s only 6 months to a year, however I think most people are really underestimating the amount of damage this has already caused to the US economy and it’s just begun to accelerate. This has been wreaking havoc on the WORLD economy for months now. Our country is not independent whatsoever, which is going to make eventual recovery that much more difficult. Air travel is still a “luxury” for most Americans, so ticket purchases will never reach the capacity they were at for a long time as families struggle to recover as they’re buried further in debt. Just a two-week “stay at home quarantine” will create a huge financial setback to most Americans and we’re already pushing past 1 month of service workers losing jobs. Yes, pilots will continue to retire but I doubt we will see much growth in the industry in the foreseeable future.
#65
This is nothing like building an airplane, which requires special tooling, costly specialized equipment, and thousands of skilled employees trained on that specific airframe.
These companies already have labs, scientists and production facilities. And it’s a global competition—a Korean, German or American company can se its vaccine literally anywhere in the world, since this virus threatens every human being in the world.
And Congress can provide a fast track with respect to any regulatory hurdles—or do you think they’d rather give another 9% of our GDP away?
#66
I don't know what Congress you have been watching these last few decades, but ours does not respond fast.
#67
You're assuming that airline traffic just magically goes back to where it was. That isn't going to happen. Delta CEO is saying 3+ years. I tend to think it will be similar that, or more. Our financial system is on the brink of collapse and even the White House is expecting 20% unemployment.
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You're assuming that airline traffic just magically goes back to where it was. That isn't going to happen. Delta CEO is saying 3+ years. I tend to think it will be similar that, or more. Our financial system is on the brink of collapse and even the White House is expecting 20% unemployment.
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It just isn't feasible. Making a vaccine requires specialized equipment. Saying "just ramp up production now" is the same as telling Boeing to just make more 777s. It takes months to build these facilities. Most of the manufacturers are private companies. Who is going to provide the financing? When everyone gets vaccinated in a couple of years, what are these companies going to do with these facilitates once there is no more demand?
And doing productions in parallel with trials is also very risky. Again, it is like starting a production line up while and aircraft is still being designed. A large percentage of vaccines fail during the initial testing. I'm not saying they won't/shouldn't start production while still testing, but who is going to pay the bill when they find out 2 months into production that the vaccine failed human trials or what if COVID-19 mutates?
And doing productions in parallel with trials is also very risky. Again, it is like starting a production line up while and aircraft is still being designed. A large percentage of vaccines fail during the initial testing. I'm not saying they won't/shouldn't start production while still testing, but who is going to pay the bill when they find out 2 months into production that the vaccine failed human trials or what if COVID-19 mutates?
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Actually I said Republic won’t. And that was after a mere 5-10% capacity reduction was announced and everyone thought that reduction was the end of the world. We now have seen over a 40% drop for April with A further decrease expected for May and the company is now offering to pay 50hrs a month for people to go on leave if they so desire for April, May, June or any combination of those months IN ADDITION to offering that same deal to people who already took the unpaid option that was already offered. Something the company did not have to do. I’m standing by my prediction that we won’t furlough, considering our company is doing everything possible to retain everyone and still pay them the most possible. If come September the economy hasn’t turned around and/or this virus is still a major issue, all bets are off and not a single pilot will be safe whether your a regional or mainline pilot.
But go ahead and keep screaming the sky is falling. Meanwhile you, myself, our 2500 other pilots, all of our FAs and everyone we have sent home that was in the training process keeps collecting a paycheck at one of the best positioned regionals to weather out this time.
But go ahead and keep screaming the sky is falling. Meanwhile you, myself, our 2500 other pilots, all of our FAs and everyone we have sent home that was in the training process keeps collecting a paycheck at one of the best positioned regionals to weather out this time.
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