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pad39a 04-21-2020 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3037599)
Now with all that said, I think people who pick up OT while people are on the street are scum, but nothing you can do about if it's in the contract. At least until the BK judge gets done with it.

What about a regional FO with a family still trying to pay off his/her instrument rating? (Assuming someone that “fresh” made the cut.) Is that still considered scummy? First rodeo, honest question.

sflpilot 04-21-2020 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by pad39a (Post 3037678)
What about a regional FO with a family still trying to pay off his/her instrument rating? (Assuming someone that “fresh” made the cut.) Is that still considered scummy? First rodeo, honest question.

Everyone always has a good reason for picking up open time in all kinds of situations. It’s never going to change.

pad39a 04-21-2020 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by sflpilot (Post 3037680)
Everyone always has a good reason for picking up open time in all kinds of situations. It’s never going to change.

By that are you meaning picking up open time is always scummy?

ninerdriver 04-21-2020 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by pad39a (Post 3037678)
What about a regional FO with a family still trying to pay off his/her instrument rating? (Assuming someone that “fresh” made the cut.) Is that still considered scummy? First rodeo, honest question.

For every 75 hours of OT picked up on a regular basis, the company could justify not bring back a furloughed pilot. So, yeah, still scummy.

No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.

herewego 04-21-2020 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3037686)
For every 75 hours of OT picked up on a regular basis, the company could justify not bring back a furloughed pilot. So, yeah, still scummy.

No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.

So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?

pad39a 04-21-2020 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3037686)
For every 75 hours of OT picked up on a regular basis, the company could justify not bring back a furloughed pilot. So, yeah, still scummy.

No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.

Makes sense.

rld1k 04-21-2020 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 3037691)
So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?

Open time from another crew member is a trade, it's not open time by definition. Are you even a pilot?

captive apple 04-21-2020 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 3037691)
So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?

not scummy.
I’d image if any pilot group agrees to a lower min G they would tie it to a date or metric for snap back.

Tom Bradys Cat 04-21-2020 04:21 PM

Full pay to the last d. And im junior AF.
A couple of reasons:
Neuters the capacity for the company to water the Ts&Cs down.
Rip it off quickly allows people to move on. This is analagous witht eh underemployment debate that rages when unemployment figures are analysed.
Finally I would suggest there is a level.of discomfort for the company when it throws newly minted piots to the streets bonus and all. They effectively become free agents and help drive positive change in the free market.

Where energy really needs to be placed is in the furlough procedures and protocol. Is it merit based? Or is it puerly based of seniority? Point being it needs to be leant into...not picking up open time etc.

ninerdriver 04-21-2020 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 3037691)
So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?

Depends. How did the company get there? LOA? BK? BK LOA? Is 50 the new normal for now, or is 50 getting artificially strung along and higher is feasible again? What does the MEC think?

I'm actually going to agree with captive on this one and lean toward not scummy, assuming there's a snapback. Someone take a note.


Originally Posted by herewego (Post 3037691)
picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off

Whatever that means.

Listen, there's being a dick pilot, and then there's being a straight dick. If there are pilots at a company sitting on the sidelines due to a furlough, and someone at the company is picking up open time, then that someone is helping the company keep furloughed pilots furloughed. That's squarely in the straight dick range.


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