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ZeroTT 05-01-2020 03:07 AM

Does AA liquidate one WO
 
Say AA wants to substantially decrease WO volume requiring massive furloughs. Would it be cheaper to just liquidate (or suspend operations) at one airline rather than but all 3 through furlough/recall chaos?

JayBee 05-01-2020 04:02 AM

Nah, we will all three be absorbed by mainline 'murican and then furloughed in seniority order.

sanicom3205 05-01-2020 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by JayBee (Post 3045986)
Nah, we will all three be absorbed by mainline 'murican and then furloughed in seniority order.

This is the exact opposite of reality. The last time you all will be absorbed is during a crisis where they want lower cost labor. Merged, maybe.

JayBee 05-01-2020 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3046134)
This is the exact opposite of reality. The last time you all will be absorbed is during a crisis where they want lower cost labor. Merged, maybe.

First, joke.

Second, seniority order would mean we were canned first. Guess a /s could have been applied.

Third, have a great day.

chrisreedrules 05-01-2020 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3045977)
Say AA wants to substantially decrease WO volume requiring massive furloughs. Would it be cheaper to just liquidate (or suspend operations) at one airline rather than but all 3 through furlough/recall chaos?

I doubt it. Merge and furlough is more likely than liquidate.

ZeroTT 05-02-2020 06:03 AM

Why would they prefer that?

point80 05-02-2020 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3046814)
Why would they prefer that?

Honestly it is most likely to merge Piedmont and Envoy. They both fly the 145s so integration wont be hard. A little bit tricker with PSA. Also, PSA and Envoy have bad blood, or so im told. Piedmont also only has 600-700 pilots. Where PSA and Envoy each have over 2,000.

ALPA to ALPA merges are easy too. Because its all based on hire date regardless of company. Unlike two different unions merging.

Merging also saves money because instead of 2-3 different recruiting centers, training teams, management, and union reps, you only have one.

After that they will furlough junior pilots as one or two big groups. Instead of 3.

Note..
Not basing this on any reports just what makes the most sense.
so like he said merge then furlough.

ZeroTT 05-02-2020 03:21 PM

Can AA merge two carriers by fiat?

Cujo665 05-02-2020 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3045977)
Say AA wants to substantially decrease WO volume requiring massive furloughs. Would it be cheaper to just liquidate (or suspend operations) at one airline rather than but all 3 through furlough/recall chaos?

cheaper to merge them and eliminate entire management structures. PSA & Envoy would be the easiest merger.

Cujo665 05-02-2020 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by point80 (Post 3047227)
Honestly it is most likely to merge Piedmont and Envoy. They both fly the 145s so integration wont be hard. A little bit tricker with PSA. Also, PSA and Envoy have bad blood, or so im told. Piedmont also only has 600-700 pilots. Where PSA and Envoy each have over 2,000.

ALPA to ALPA merges are easy too. Because its all based on hire date regardless of company. Unlike two different unions merging.

Merging also saves money because instead of 2-3 different recruiting centers, training teams, management, and union reps, you only have one.

After that they will furlough junior pilots as one or two big groups. Instead of 3.

Note..
Not basing this on any reports just what makes the most sense.
so like he said merge then furlough.

wow, I haven’t seen so much wrong in a long time.

First, merging PSA and Envoy is easier and cheaper.
second, seniority list mergers are not straight Date of Hire anymore and haven’t been for years.
Third, there is some savings in the areas you mentioned, but not as much as you seem to think. You still have to recruit, train and manage the same number of pilots. The real savings are more on the manager and up level, not on the worker bee. Reduced facility expenses is there too.


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