Excargodog

Yeah, but there is a term for that - it’s called ‘life’.

Does anyone really think there is a big cheering squad out there cheering on COVID? It’s a PANDEMIC of a disease with probably four or five times the lethality of seasonal influenza and that sucks. Some people are going to die prematurely, and it won’t just be the old and it won’t just be the idiots who fly wing suits through the trees or arches on cliffs for the thrill of seeing how close they can come without dying. Nor will it be just the morbidly obese or the guy who has smoked three packs a day since he was a teenager.

And it didn’t help that since a pandemic like this hasn’t come around for a hundred years neither our world governments or even the public health people were experienced enough or wise enough to handle it well. I get that.

But it ain’t a WWIII either, or even a WWII. Yep, it’s going to screw over your life for awhile, in fact it’s going to screw over EVERYONE’S LIVES, so you do what humanity has been doing since Neanderthal times, you take the best options you can to get you and your family through this.

Flying? It’ll come back, And with all the people that have now been discouraged from going into/completing their training, it will come back with a vengeance for those that can stick with it but even then it will be subject to the next pandemic to come along.

But ‘woe is me,’ ain’t helpful. Work hard and take the best options available to you to get you and yours through this. And if the cyclic ups and downs of airline flying are not something you can face, look elsewhere for a career. But this is what life is really like. $h|T sometimes happens and you need to roll with the punch and go on.

deltajuliet

One option to consider is to apply for an internship at the major you’d ultimately like to work at. The guys who did often got called for an interview at that major way ahead of their regional peers, I’m talking 1000-3000 less hours and 1-3 years sooner.

67Creek

Not everyone is cut out for aviation. Consider yourself lucky that you're figuring that out now.

senecacaptain

I hate to be doom and gloom but even with CARES extended into 2021, I am not sure what that will do. March 2021 is like 6 measely months.

At some point, passengers either come back, or they don't.

If the 2020 total for the year (Jan-March good, March-May crappy, May-Aug slightly better, Aug-Dec ???) is 50% of 2019, then that number is basically the pax count before 2003.

If 2020 is 75% of 2019 (which it won't be...) then we are at 2007.

How many pilots and airframes did the airlines have in 2007?

I am not a Phd economics from Harvard, but I don't see a bright future ahead anytime soon, barring a vaccine and resumption of confidence.

Excargodog

Oh, it will get worse before it gets better if you are a CFI looking for a regional. A number of scope agreements are tied to the previous year’s flying at the major, and those numbers are going to suck for next year. We will LOSE another few regionals because of that, and likely see additional furloughs at the surviving regionals as well just to stay within the downsized scope. That will be goid for Major furloughees who will be recalled that much quicker, but it means that until the Big Three rebound the regionals really can’t rebound, and probably with a year lag built in to that rebound.

Which means that once the surviving Regionals are able to recall BOTH waves of their own furloughed, there will still be a lot of ATP qualified guys with serious 121 experience at regionals who will be hired before the regionals go dipping into the ATP-eligible but no ATP or previous type rating pool again.

Unless the major pilots unions give relief from that block hour formula, that lag is inevitable, and I don’t see that happening while they still have pilots furloughed.

on the bright side, I expect domestic flying to be about 90% of 2019 levels by next summer, but international may well take longer.

Swakid8

Lmao, wow. You definitely aren’t married or don’t have kids.

Look man, a reasonable person isn’t going to uproot their spouse who had a good job so that can go into the middle of no where to work at a podunk operation flying a caravan paying little.

If said person was single, young 20’s no strings attached. Then yes, they should be able to pick up move to where the job is at.

rickair7777

Not practical in most cases. I'm guessing you don't have a wife/kids.

Often enough, wife likes being in a town with friends/family and often a job of her own, especially whn hubby is gone half of the month. In my case the wife's job is a good one, and while it's portable within the local community, it's not as portable to other towns (lots of relationship building involved). Uprooting is not practical for everyone, although it should be easier when you're younger.

That said, I do recommend that pilots try to avoid marriage (or at least kids) until they are at a career-destination major, and make sure their bride likes (or better yet already lives in) at least on of your major hub cities. Not always possible for everyone, but if you can hold off you'll have the flexibility to move when you need to aggressively move up the ladder, and then the family life will benefit from living in base and not commuting.

neverposts

"Your post is so ignorant and dismissive I probably should have just ignored it but I cant stand it when people fail to recognize that we are all different and have different priorities."

remember the part where i said DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. most people by definition are lazy. big difference between walking to the sink to get a glass of water and having to walk twenty miles in the blistering heat because you either do it or die.

captive apple

The fleet mix then was more favorable for total pilot jobs for the total number of frames.

captande

What kind of agreement are you on with your school? Some universities will pay tuition (or a percentage of) if you take classes with them. If not just kick around the idea of getting a masters or another degree. A lot of masters programs are in the evenings and now with Rona are mostly if not completely online. This will open doors you’d never even have thought of. If the opportunity to join corporate America comes along and you have clear growth and a good salary, walk away. It’ll also eat up the next 2 years to get an idea of what the recovery looks like. Then you can also keep getting time towards not needing a R-ATP if things look favorable. Have to be able to hold that line between passion and profession. The will fly for free people are in the ranks right now and are the biggest threat to starting the race to the bottom again.