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Old 10-06-2020, 09:03 PM   #31  
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This is quite true. Recruiters know rumors similar to most line pilots. They can’t (shouldn’t) convey unsubstantiated rumors to recruits. They don’t know what moves management is doing anymore than anyone else. Although Envoy has done a nice job of selling a surreal flow time.
You ain't lying. They did a masterful job getting of getting a whole bunch of pilots to accept substandard working conditions and pay with the promise of unrealistic flow. The flaw in their timeline was assuming there would never be a downturn again. Easy to get naďve FO applicants to buy into that. The sad thing is that more senior people at Envoy were still pushing that narrative even though they knew better after a couple years in the industry. But they still pushed it hard, presumably to get people to come in underneath them to push their seniority up. Had to continue the false narrative to improve their working conditions through Seniority.
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Fixed it for him.
Thanks. I kinda figured I was not gonna get very far with him.
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Old 10-12-2020, 04:45 PM   #33  
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Things may be bad now, but when things improve and someone needs pilots again, who are they going to look for first? It's never the pilot with the most hours. It's important to maintain positive relationships with recruiters, friends, and colleagues, because whose going to be there for you when you want or need something.

I was stuck as a regional FO for many years and I definitely checked out because what was the point of trying with no one seemed to be for a long time. Well when things started booming again, I started calling my old mentors and many of them didn't really remember me. Things are pretty bleak now, but you never know who you might meet at these recruiting events. It just might help years later.
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But, AA is on the verge of shutting down. I am NOT trying to be mean or hurt the AA employees. History repeats itself often in this Godforsaken business. Have a look at my user name, then Eastern, Pan Am and many others. With AA goes a number of regionals as well. AA has too much debt and is already bankrupt for the most part. It's sad really but it's not like it wasn't bound to happen again. The thinking is that one of the biggies has to go so the others can survive and SWA is already circling the carcass. My advice is to get away from the airline business because it'll be 5 plus years. Sept 11th was like 10 years before things go back to normal and hiring resumed. A Gubment bailout is just dragging things out and throwing money into a dirty pool. Try to get into a decent Fractional or part 91/135 company. No, it is not impossible.
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But, AA is on the verge of shutting down. I am NOT trying to be mean or hurt the AA employees. History repeats itself often in this Godforsaken business. Have a look at my user name, then Eastern, Pan Am and many others. With AA goes a number of regionals as well. AA has too much debt and is already bankrupt for the most part. It's sad really but it's not like it wasn't bound to happen again. The thinking is that one of the biggies has to go so the others can survive and SWA is already circling the carcass. My advice is to get away from the airline business because it'll be 5 plus years. Sept 11th was like 10 years before things go back to normal and hiring resumed. A Gubment bailout is just dragging things out and throwing money into a dirty pool. Try to get into a decent Fractional or part 91/135 company. No, it is not impossible.
Three years after 9/11 the passenger count was at new highs. Not saying AA won't be filing BK but the passengers will be back.
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Go to the recruiting events! If you get on you'll have better travel benefits than furloughed pilots....

That's the kind of stuff that grinds my gears. I would love for a recruiter to be able to explain how cadets have D2 travel privilege's while those furloughed who worked for the company for years have retiree benefits. What a joke.
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But, AA is on the verge of shutting down. I am NOT trying to be mean or hurt the AA employees. History repeats itself often in this Godforsaken business. Have a look at my user name, then Eastern, Pan Am and many others. With AA goes a number of regionals as well. AA has too much debt and is already bankrupt for the most part. It's sad really but it's not like it wasn't bound to happen again. The thinking is that one of the biggies has to go so the others can survive and SWA is already circling the carcass. My advice is to get away from the airline business because it'll be 5 plus years. Sept 11th was like 10 years before things go back to normal and hiring resumed. A Gubment bailout is just dragging things out and throwing money into a dirty pool. Try to get into a decent Fractional or part 91/135 company. No, it is not impossible.
But but, THKooj said there is something big in the works and that DP is so smart he will save us all.

Joking aside, AA hiring on that new board member is ominous at best.
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But but, THKooj said there is something big in the works and that DP is so smart he will save us all.

Joking aside, AA hiring on that new board member is ominous at best.
The only tool in DP's shed is buying other airlines. I don't think there are any of those left to purchase.
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But, AA is on the verge of shutting down. I am NOT trying to be mean or hurt the AA employees. History repeats itself often in this Godforsaken business. Have a look at my user name, then Eastern, Pan Am and many others. With AA goes a number of regionals as well. AA has too much debt and is already bankrupt for the most part. It's sad really but it's not like it wasn't bound to happen again. The thinking is that one of the biggies has to go so the others can survive and SWA is already circling the carcass. My advice is to get away from the airline business because it'll be 5 plus years. Sept 11th was like 10 years before things go back to normal and hiring resumed. A Gubment bailout is just dragging things out and throwing money into a dirty pool. Try to get into a decent Fractional or part 91/135 company. No, it is not impossible.
This is pretty alarmist, to be honest. Bankruptcy doesn't equate to shutting down. The odds of AA filing Chapter 7 are astronomical. Chapter 11 is likely, in my opinion, but there's a big gap between bankruptcy and insolvency.
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But, AA is on the verge of shutting down. I am NOT trying to be mean or hurt the AA employees. History repeats itself often in this Godforsaken business. Have a look at my user name, then Eastern, Pan Am and many others. With AA goes a number of regionals as well. AA has too much debt and is already bankrupt for the most part. It's sad really but it's not like it wasn't bound to happen again. The thinking is that one of the biggies has to go so the others can survive and SWA is already circling the carcass. My advice is to get away from the airline business because it'll be 5 plus years. Sept 11th was like 10 years before things go back to normal and hiring resumed. A Gubment bailout is just dragging things out and throwing money into a dirty pool. Try to get into a decent Fractional or part 91/135 company. No, it is not impossible.
Go away, old man.
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