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Old 05-31-2007 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by goarmy
its true.....your career will end at up Fed Ex, UPS, Continental, Delta, Jet Blue....those are just a few of the places those scumbags are ending up....sucks to be them....those lists are ruining their lives! hahahaha

p.s..... a Jetblue pilot ( former TSA ) was just FIRED for having his little list and harrasing a few pilots at an open house....do some homework here....its true....have fun with your little lists.....looks like the door will be hitting YOU and your list in the ass on the way out! Looks like his little plan fell apart all around him....so sad.... sssssseeya!
That wasn't very smart of them.

Hypothetically speaking, If I had the inclination and opportunity to sabotage a gojetter's career it would happen behind closed doors on the DL...the gojetter would never even know what hit him. Hypothetically speaking.

Of course I might never have the opportunity, who knows.
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Old 05-31-2007 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by goarmy
p.s..... a Jetblue pilot ( former TSA ) was just FIRED for having his little list and harrasing a few pilots at an open house....do some homework here....its true....have fun with your little lists.....looks like the door will be hitting YOU and your list in the ass on the way out! Looks like his little plan fell apart all around him....so sad.... sssssseeya!
That guy quit on me during block-in after Leg One of a four-day...I didn't even have the fasten seat belts sign off after parking at the gate when he looked at me and said "I quit." He Jumpseated back home and left us and the Pax delayed until a RSV was called up.
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Old 05-31-2007 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
That guy quit on me during block-in after Leg One of a four-day...I didn't even have the fasten seat belts sign off after parking at the gate when he looked at me and said "I quit." He Jumpseated back home and left us and the Pax delayed until a RSV was called up.

Which guy quit? Why did he quit?
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Old 05-31-2007 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
I'm not talking about work rules, that's a whole other beast. How are you not sold, your numbers above are argue my point for me. With his hours why not give VA, DAL and CAL a shot. If he wants to just work as a line pilot flying just over guarantee then he'll make more money at the Majors/Legacies than he will at the regionals. That is, unless he works his ass off as a 18yr RJ CA, maybe then he'll reach the $125,000+/yr pay range.

Don't forget that DAL, CAL, AA, NWA, SWA, UAL, UPS, FedEx, ABx, Astar and many others 2nd-18th yr FO pay scale tops our CA's rates at the regionals; and their just FO's.
My point was that the pay doesn't tell the whole story. And I never said don't apply to DAL or CAL or where ever (although CAL's work rules and pay are disgusting). VA or any other airline may have great hourly pay but horrible work rules. At which point its a wash and you may even lose a little depending on what you value your time at. And who knows what that is going to be like at these places like VA and SkyBus. My point was that VA can't have or keep industry leading pay with the type of operation they are proposing without something else going on (horrible work rules, making crews pay for the hotels, etc). So you can make all you want out of hourly rates but it doesn't mean jack if your flight cancels and you have no cancellation pay (pretty sure 0 hours at $95/hr comes out to...$0! ) or you gotta shell out for a hotel room at the overnight. And what good is money if you can't spend any of it or your time with your friends and family because your airline is not required to give you your days off in your domicile?

It sounds like our guy who started the thread is at least mid 30s-40s just based on his experience. If I was in that position I think the better option would be to get on with a good regional, accrue seniority quickly so you can get those 18 and 19 day off lines, still make $95-115K flying and do something else I enjoy on the side (there are, in fact, other ways to make money besides flying). And be able to spend those days off at home with friends and family or travelling or whatever else I wanted to do, not sitting alone in a hotel room in a strange city.

I guess the whole point we ALL are trying to make is choose wisely. In this current hiring environment and with those qualifications there are many many options besides GoJets and crappy upstarts.
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Old 05-31-2007 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Which guy quit? Why did he quit?
the former JetBlue guy they were talking about in the previous post...! Quit because JetBlue left him a VM saying he was hired...

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Old 05-31-2007 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
My point was that the pay doesn't tell the whole story. And I never said don't apply to DAL or CAL or where ever (although CAL's work rules and pay are disgusting). VA or any other airline may have great hourly pay but horrible work rules. At which point its a wash and you may even lose a little depending on what you value your time at. And who knows what that is going to be like at these places like VA and SkyBus. My point was that VA can't have or keep industry leading pay with the type of operation they are proposing without something else going on (horrible work rules, making crews pay for the hotels, etc). So you can make all you want out of hourly rates but it doesn't mean jack if your flight cancels and you have no cancellation pay (pretty sure 0 hours at $95/hr comes out to...$0! ) or you gotta shell out for a hotel room at the overnight. And what good is money if you can't spend any of it or your time with your friends and family because your airline is not required to give you your days off in your domicile?
Freez, you and I have had this conversation(about QOL, Pay & Work Rules) many times so you should know by now that I understand every bit of it. For the most part you and I are on the same page so why the? Besides, name one Regional/Major/Legacy airline that doesn't have some sort of cancellation pay policy and doesn't pay for hotels. Your examples are extremes but I already get the point that you're making and I agree. Money isn't everything but with all things understood, I'd take the job at DAL.

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Old 05-31-2007 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
My point was that the pay doesn't tell the whole story. And I never said don't apply to DAL or CAL or where ever (although CAL's work rules and pay are disgusting). VA or any other airline may have great hourly pay but horrible work rules. At which point its a wash and you may even lose a little depending on what you value your time at. And who knows what that is going to be like at these places like VA and SkyBus. My point was that VA can't have or keep industry leading pay with the type of operation they are proposing without something else going on (horrible work rules, making crews pay for the hotels, etc). So you can make all you want out of hourly rates but it doesn't mean jack if your flight cancels and you have no cancellation pay (pretty sure 0 hours at $95/hr comes out to...$0! ) or you gotta shell out for a hotel room at the overnight. And what good is money if you can't spend any of it or your time with your friends and family because your airline is not required to give you your days off in your domicile?
Freez, you and I have had this conversation(about QOL, Pay & Work Rules) many times so you should know by now that I understand every bit of it. For the most part you and I are on the same page so why the? Besides, name one Regional/Major/Legacy airline that doesn't have some sort of cancellation pay policy and doesn't pay for hotels. Your examples are extremes, I understand the point that you're making and I agree, but I would've focused on Trip/Duty Rigs and QOL. Money isn't everything but with all things understood, I'd take the job at DAL.

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Old 06-01-2007 | 07:58 AM
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This is total FLAMEBAIT and you all fell for it....

I you actual applied to GoJet and they called you....you would know that there is NO s in GoJet...

Hook-- Line-- and Sinker--

You all played right in

Originally Posted by cl601pilot
Ive got the time to go to the left seat. I just lost my corporate job so no 121 time. A little 135 time from 10 years ago.

I haven't been anywhere near the airline side of aviation for about 10 years. However, I have had it with the corporate side. So, with no contacts in the airline side, I am starting out pretty fresh. 6100TT/3500ME/2100Turbine Part25 Aircraft.

GoJets was just the first company to call back.
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Old 06-01-2007 | 07:36 PM
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Old 06-01-2007 | 09:23 PM
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"I you actual applied to GoJet and they called you....you would know that there is NO s in GoJet..."

Or, it could be a slight mistake in semantics, grammer, or spelling. Kinda like the one you made in your attempt to form a sentence.
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