What is the story on Gojets? I got a call yesterday from HR to schedule an interview. Whats the history of the company? I did a search on them, however it didn't turn up much info? Do they hire straight into the left seat? Their info lists flight time requirements for captain as well as FO.

 

gotta be joking me that you haven't found information on GoJets yet, if you're asking about them hiring straight into the left seat, i'd assume you don't have enough time to get that seat anyway, or atleast you're not prior 121.

Honestly, you don't want to work there, terrible work rules, terrible contract, a company that can give you a day off when you're "on the road" but doesn't have to bring you home, and therefore could fly you forever as long as they don't break FAA work rules.

They're an alter ego carrier, started up to get around a scope clause at Trans States Airlines, they have the same management as TSA, same training center, different certificate, different senority list, and aren't really liked by a good chunk of the regional pilots out there. End result, you go to go jet, you leave, get hired on at a major, as do all the people from everywhere else in the industry. While at gojet, you are hounded by other airline pilots (those that will talk to you) when you leave, they ask where you came from, and they remember that you were a go jet pilot, and hound you again. Not really worth it, i don't believe in that "they'll never get another 121 job" thing, but they'll be suffering in the next one, and the one after that, and after that...

Anyone really nice to freedom A guys yet?

 

Here we go again.....

I'm no expert on the subject, but be very careful about that place. You should be able to do a search on them, it's been discussed numerous times on these boards. I'll try to explain in a nutshell:

GoJets was basically created to sort of 'undercut' the guys at Trans States, so the management wouldn't have to worry about contract issues with any eligible TSA pilots. It's known as an alter-ego airline of TSA, and most pilots on these boards and most you will talk to will say going to work there is borderline making you a scab. However it does appear that some of those pilots are getting hired at some of the majors from what I've read. Just be careful, maybe go for the interview experience, but do a lot of research and I'm sure you'll find some more useful information. As far as more practical information about the company, I don't know a whole lot, there is probably some info on the main APC page.

 

Ok well flynavy beat me to it haha, looks like you explained in a bit more detail too...

 

Loooong sigh....here we go again...

There are previous GoJets threads here on APC. They are hard to read because there is a great deal of anger mixed in. I'll summarize to hopefully save you some trouble:

Do Not work for GoJets...they are the next best thing to scabs. You will definately carry a stigma for the rest of your career, and you might be denied employment later on.

Are you familiar with the Mesa / Freedom A debacle? If so, gojets is just like Freedom A, that is to say an alter-ego airline. An alter-ego is not "fair market competition", it is an airline-within-an-airline that exists to get around the union contract of the existing airline. Most union contracts have a scope clause that prevents this sort of thing, but Mesa and TSA didn't have strong enough language.

Basically GoJets was created and used by management because they couldn't get TSA to agree to fly larger RJ's for cheap. So they created a "new" airline and started replacing TSA flying with gojets airplanes. Some gojets pilots voluntarily came over from TSA...this allowed them to jump seniority to a quicker upgrade while those still at TSA suffered the loss of flying.

Again don't do it if you have any self-respect, or hope for any respect from your peers. If in doubt, go to ORD terminals E & F...you'll see a bunch of furtive looking pilots hiding out in the back corners of unused gate areas. You'll also notice that when they walk around their badges are turned around so they can't be easily identified as gojets. They are afraid to show their faces in any of the ORD crew rooms...their behavior alone tells you that they are ashamed of what they do, and they know it's wrong. Is that how you want to spend your regioanl career? Hiding from other pilots?

 

GoJet's pilots are hated by other pilots. They are hated very much, and many people consider them the next worst things to scabs.

Have you ever taken a gun and just shot yourself in the foot to see what it feels like?? That is essentially what you will be doing if you go fly for GoJet, aka Blow Jets, Gayway, Goaway Jets, etc...

GoJet was created by Trans States. They wanted their pilots to fly 70 seat jets, but Trans States scope clause said they could not fly bigger airplanes unless a pay rate was negotiated. Instead of negotiating, Trans States went around the pilots contract and created GoJet's. They got the jets. People were hired there and "upgraded" out of seniority order over Trans States pilots. Not only were Trans States pilots screwed in that sense, but many were furloughed at this time. Usually this is against US Labor Laws, but somehow Trans States was able to circumvent these laws. That is the story (more or less).

GoJet's pilots are hated by all. Their is no discriminating. Every GoJet pilot is hated equally. Many will not allow you ride on their airplane (in jumpseat or even in back). You had better live in Saint Louis, or within close driving distance. Otherwise, I don't see how you are going to get to work.
If you ever want to go to another airline, you will have a hard time answering, "So why did you fly at GoJet's?" Be ready for people ignoring/not talking to you in future jobs. Only speak when spoken to, and only when absolutely necessary for the safe operation of the flight.

GoJet's only has about 150 pilots. Having that small of a group makes it easy to keep tabs on you. There used to be a list of all GoJet's pilots that was published (to use to deny GoJet's pilots from riding jumpseats), but I can't seem to find it. It was something like gojetpilots.com.

Anyway, there are very good reasons not to go and work for GoJet's. You may be committing career suicide. There are plenty of other regionals out there. They are hiring thousands of pilots this year. They are lowering minimums every single day. You WILL get hired by another carrier soon. Do not take the job at GoJet!!!
But hey, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot (by going to GoJet), let me know how it feels. I sure as hell don't want to try it.

Feel free to ask more questions to fully understand the implications of your choice.
Good luck making the right choice.
Ryan

 

Don't go there!!!!!!!

 

Bad place to work...

END OF THREAD. Thanks.

 

There are people who would disagree.... but this has all been sound advice. Avoid GoatJets like the plague! While they're not scabs by the technical definition, they're not really respected by other pilot groups at the regional level. Hold out for a better company, you'll thank yourself later.

You'll hear people claim that the majors don't care where you come from. I disagree with that. A few of my friends work at FDX, CAL, AS and SWA- and they all had nothing but bad things to say about GoJets. Don't buy into the hype their HR people try to sell you. At the end of the day, they still willingly undercutted their TSA brothers... and the people at the larger carriers know that very well.

 

I'm Glad you're take our advice. GoJets and Mesa are two places that one should not work, there are others but these two are #1 (GoJets) & #2 (Mesa) on the bottom of the barrel. BUT if I had to choose, I'd rather have a Mesa pilot next to me than a GoJeter.

Take care and best of luck in your future endeavors.

F@#K BlowJets!