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Old 08-12-2021 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher
Well i guess PSA is the clear winner even though it was not in the list.



could you elaborate on this specially for a noob like me who doesn’t get these C/N tfayd terms.

doesn’t skywest have SAP/Trip dropping on sked+ last i heard?
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Technically we have trip dropping through Sked+, but there needs to be sufficient reserves in the appropriate bucket to cover the entire trip, in base, and maybe even system wide, to actually drop into open time. Since we are chronically understaffed, there are never enough reserves to cover your trip, so you can never drop.
There is the ability to post and pray that someone else wants your trip, but if it's anything other than a high paying local or a good standup, fuhgeddaboudit.
Occasionally you can trade with someone, or split the trip up into more desirable pieces to get someone to pick it up. Cash helps too.
You can also exchange a pairing you don't want with one in company open time, but company constraints on number of days, number of reserves on the days you want to get rid of, and other unknown line constraints usually result in Failure
When all else fails, platinum days.
In summary, we have the option to drop, but usually that translates to the inability to drop
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Old 08-12-2021 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by herewego
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Technically we have trip dropping through Sked+, but there needs to be sufficient reserves in the appropriate bucket to cover the entire trip, in base, and maybe even system wide, to actually drop into open time. Since we are chronically understaffed, there are never enough reserves to cover your trip, so you can never drop.
There is the ability to post and pray that someone else wants your trip, but if it's anything other than a high paying local or a good standup, fuhgeddaboudit.
Occasionally you can trade with someone, or split the trip up into more desirable pieces to get someone to pick it up. Cash helps too.
You can also exchange a pairing you don't want with one in company open time, but company constraints on number of days, number of reserves on the days you want to get rid of, and other unknown line constraints usually result in Failure
When all else fails, platinum days.
In summary, we have the option to drop, but usually that translates to the inability to drop
In reality, if you are not super senior lineholder, you might as well bid reserve and do pretty much what you want with your schedule. I'd rather be the most senior reserve and proffer if i want or call first NO if not... move my days to get the days off that i need.
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Old 08-13-2021 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
Coverage needed or something like that, means your working on a day you didn't bid to work, in addition to all the days you did bid to work for. Thanks for all you do. LOL...
“Company need”, it’s not assigned on a day you specifically bid off. It’s the pairing scraps left over that wasn’t already assigned. I’ve been burned by some junk “CN” standups myself. I’ve also been assigned some VERY senior trips a few times. It’s obviously a huge flaw in the system that ticks off everyone.

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Old 08-13-2021 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
“Company need”, it’s not assigned on a day you specifically bid off. It’s the pairing scraps left over that wasn’t already assigned. I’ve been burned by some junk “CN” standups myself. I’ve also been assigned some VERY senior trips a few times. It’s obviously a huge flaw in the system that ticks off everyone.
not a flaw in the system - it’s a design feature intended to assign all flying, I.e. minimize open time after the PBS run
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Old 08-13-2021 | 10:52 AM
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CN = Callin' iN
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Old 08-13-2021 | 05:53 PM
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I can't speak to the others, but I can verify that schedule flexibility isn't very good at OO. Normally even at fairly high seniority, you'll be scheduled for so much flying that it's difficult to trade trips over different days even if you find someone who wants to. I can't say I've never been able to drop anything, but it's been a rare occasion that finds me with the opportunity to drop a trip that I wish to drop.
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Old 08-13-2021 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Flymeaway
I can't speak to the others, but I can verify that schedule flexibility isn't very good at OO. Normally even at fairly high seniority, you'll be scheduled for so much flying that it's difficult to trade trips over different days even if you find someone who wants to. I can't say I've never been able to drop anything, but it's been a rare occasion that finds me with the opportunity to drop a trip that I wish to drop.
whats the average line value at Oo
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Old 08-13-2021 | 09:48 PM
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I thought PSA had junior Manning so even if you get your dream schedule they can just positive space you into another trip.


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Old 08-14-2021 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1
I thought PSA had junior Manning so even if you get your dream schedule they can just positive space you into another trip.


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PSA doesn’t JR man to cover trips like that to line holders. They only JR man you finish your pairing as much as legally possible if and when delays are encountered.

The only time I’ve been jr manned were due to maintenance and weather issues on the last day which extended me a additional day. When you get extended, it’s usually DH back to base on the last day. That was my experience while I was at PSA.

PSA doesn’t jr man like Air Wisconsin do...
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Old 08-14-2021 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1
I thought PSA had junior Manning so even if you get your dream schedule they can just positive space you into another trip
no. The system which allows HUGE flexibility to lineholders also requires HUGE reserves. As an example, every single lineholder can drop Christmas Day. Very little junior manning except for maintenance issues at outstations
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