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#31
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Have a friend fail training at an airline because the instructor didn’t like him (personalities didn’t mix). Had to get the union, training dept, and management involved for the issue. Obviously, nothing came about it at the end of the day, but a return ticket home. Dude is the hardest work I know.
He wasn’t failed to keep him there longer, but I guess things like this do happen.
He wasn’t failed to keep him there longer, but I guess things like this do happen.
#32
Honestly this sounds more like your friend had a fair go and just wasn’t up to the task. Your view is biased because he is your friend and he’s only telling you one side of the story. You see this pretty regularly when involved in the training/testing world (non flight school type stuff).
#33
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The letter thing is also just glorified rumor.
#34
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The "rotorheads" showed up completely unprepared from the nonsense that was going on down in Pensacola. The program wasn't designed to help them succeed and many failed. Guys that haven't flown anything in >10 years getting 100 hours in a 172 and then going into airline training was a recipe for disaster. A publicity stunt at best.
To think that any regional is failing people on purpose is absolutely asinine.
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#35
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There is no truth to the "APD letter" thing. JC is tough but fair. He got his "reputation" because he had a few unprepared students in a row. I've never been a fan of his, but he has never judged a student unfairly. His pass/fail record is on par with every other APD in the regionals.
The "rotorheads" showed up completely unprepared from the nonsense that was going on down in Pensacola. The program wasn't designed to help them succeed and many failed. Guys that haven't flown anything in >10 years getting 100 hours in a 172 and then going into airline training was a recipe for disaster. A publicity stunt at best.
To think that any regional is failing people on purpose is absolutely asinine.
The "rotorheads" showed up completely unprepared from the nonsense that was going on down in Pensacola. The program wasn't designed to help them succeed and many failed. Guys that haven't flown anything in >10 years getting 100 hours in a 172 and then going into airline training was a recipe for disaster. A publicity stunt at best.
To think that any regional is failing people on purpose is absolutely asinine.
#36
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From: Whale FO
Kinda like busting a flap, or gear speed limit? Mx write up as well. You don't think they should be strikes on a ride?
#37
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As all examiners know, it isn't the students that you bust that keep you awake at night, it is the student that you know you should have busted that you let pass even though they should not be in the airplane yet.
#39
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There are always more things that are going wrong than the official things that you get "busted" for. There always have to be official things that you messed up to bust a ride. That is what goes into the paperwork. What really costs you the bust are the small things that add up. The general sense of you having no idea what you are doing, lack of overall proficiency, and general feeling that you are not safe in the airplane yet. Those are what really causes an APD's hair to stand on end and start watching much closer.
As all examiners know, it isn't the students that you bust that keep you awake at night, it is the student that you know you should have busted that you let pass even though they should not be in the airplane yet.
As all examiners know, it isn't the students that you bust that keep you awake at night, it is the student that you know you should have busted that you let pass even though they should not be in the airplane yet.
And yes, I do think that certain people do go after certain people. If you don’t think that’s the case you’re being blind and obtuse.
And yes, I’ve been a keeper of the standardization. You can fail any person on any day if you’re feeling like it.
Also, there weren’t other things going wrong. That was it. I’m objective enough to be able to, and usually am harder on myself than others, know what’s going well and what isn’t. Those were it. Which, ironically enough none of them would have happened in my current jet. LNAV is preselected on takeoff, it flies the speeds for you perfectly in the sim, and the starter is really a non issue with just an off switch.
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#40
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
There are always more things that are going wrong than the official things that you get "busted" for. There always have to be official things that you messed up to bust a ride. That is what goes into the paperwork. What really costs you the bust are the small things that add up. The general sense of you having no idea what you are doing, lack of overall proficiency, and general feeling that you are not safe in the airplane yet. Those are what really causes an APD's hair to stand on end and start watching much closer. .
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