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06-12-2007 | 06:34 AM
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Fly this as a 4th year FO and make $78 and Seat 120Pax
Fly this as a 4th year FO and make $36 and Seat 80pax
40 Pax difference, and a difference of .20 cent per pax so If you put that 4th year FO and gave him the extra 40paxs he/she'd make $54 I'm tryin to prove a point here. Maybe my point is null and void because I don't understand the Scope clause Purpose. As I see it now though it's hurt Pilots as a Group!
Fly this as a 4th year FO and make $36 and Seat 80pax
40 Pax difference, and a difference of .20 cent per pax so If you put that 4th year FO and gave him the extra 40paxs he/she'd make $54 I'm tryin to prove a point here. Maybe my point is null and void because I don't understand the Scope clause Purpose. As I see it now though it's hurt Pilots as a Group!
WHATS NOT TO UNDERSTAND? Management found a way to have inexperienced 600 hr kids fly large "cool looking emb 170" aircraft for sh*t pay, why the hell should they pay better................there is someone out there that would honestly pay to fly a EMB-170............after all they can put their picture of it on their MYSPACE page....................
06-12-2007 | 04:01 PM
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hahah O love the 170, I would love it even more if the US carriers followed suit of Air Canada, MAINLINE AIRCRAFT..................MAINLINE PILOTS............MAINLINE PAY
06-12-2007 | 04:15 PM
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Mainline pilots dont want to fly it though.. case in point: US Airways. They have had hundreds of pilots bypass recall simply because they dont want to fly the E190. Within a year, you will see Republic operating at least some of the 190s.. at least that's the rumor anyway. We still have options for 8 of them I believe.
Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH
Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH
06-12-2007 | 04:29 PM
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Mainline pilots dont want to fly it though.. case in point: US Airways. They have had hundreds of pilots bypass recall simply because they dont want to fly the E190. Within a year, you will see Republic operating at least some of the 190s.. at least that's the rumor anyway. We still have options for 8 of them I believe.
Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH
Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH
06-13-2007 | 08:17 AM
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Mainline pilots dont want to fly it though.. case in point: US Airways. They have had hundreds of pilots bypass recall simply because they dont want to fly the E190. Within a year, you will see Republic operating at least some of the 190s.. at least that's the rumor anyway. We still have options for 8 of them I believe.
Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH
Word around FSI is that RAH is ramping up for something that has yet to be announced. 10+ new FSI instructors are going or have gone though 170/RAH training. Hopefully CAL will not give up scope in their upcoming negotiations... if they do, you know who's or what's likely coming to IAH
06-13-2007 | 08:44 AM
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I have no problem flying an "RJ" for a long time. The problem is that the "regional" companies pilot groups need to stand up to management and make the pay raises happen.
I really think we are going to see the legacy carriers get out of the domestic market and focus on international. Their unions have traditionally and probably will continue to focus on the upper 1/3 of seniority's interests. Give away scope, don't hire new pilots. I think in 15-20 years we will see the likes of XJT, SKW, and RAH flying their own colors with international aggreements on the legacy carriers. Similar to what we see with Star Alliance and the like. This is a good time for the "regional" pilot groups to stick together and see their company as more than a stepping stone. That's the only way we'll save this career.
I really think we are going to see the legacy carriers get out of the domestic market and focus on international. Their unions have traditionally and probably will continue to focus on the upper 1/3 of seniority's interests. Give away scope, don't hire new pilots. I think in 15-20 years we will see the likes of XJT, SKW, and RAH flying their own colors with international aggreements on the legacy carriers. Similar to what we see with Star Alliance and the like. This is a good time for the "regional" pilot groups to stick together and see their company as more than a stepping stone. That's the only way we'll save this career.
06-13-2007 | 08:53 AM
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I have no problem flying an "RJ" for a long time. The problem is that the "regional" companies pilot groups need to stand up to management and make the pay raises happen.
I really think we are going to see the legacy carriers get out of the domestic market and focus on international. Their unions have traditionally and probably will continue to focus on the upper 1/3 of seniority's interests. Give away scope, don't hire new pilots. I think in 15-20 years we will see the likes of XJT, SKW, and RAH flying their own colors with international aggreements on the legacy carriers. Similar to what we see with Star Alliance and the like. This is a good time for the "regional" pilot groups to stick together and see their company as more than a stepping stone. That's the only way we'll save this career.
I really think we are going to see the legacy carriers get out of the domestic market and focus on international. Their unions have traditionally and probably will continue to focus on the upper 1/3 of seniority's interests. Give away scope, don't hire new pilots. I think in 15-20 years we will see the likes of XJT, SKW, and RAH flying their own colors with international aggreements on the legacy carriers. Similar to what we see with Star Alliance and the like. This is a good time for the "regional" pilot groups to stick together and see their company as more than a stepping stone. That's the only way we'll save this career.
06-13-2007 | 09:04 AM
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You are right, it will never be higher so long as we act as subcontractors. ExpressJet has the idea with their branded flying. Your compensation is now tied to your corporate performance. With contracts, your compensation is tied to the negotiated value of the contract.
What I'm saying is that either the legacies need to maintain their foothold and grow (I would venture to say that their management and labor groups are too entrenched to be creative though) or the big "regionals" need to stand on their own brand.
What I'm suggesting is effectively the death of mainline carriers. Unfortunately, just the like auto industry, the union pay scales can get out of hand at the top. When you are paying guys over $250k a year to work less than a week each month, you simply are not getting much bang for you buck. I certainly would love that job, but its not realistic in our global market.
What I advocate for long term pay in this new paradigm is to bring the bottom up and the top down to create a more balance pay structure over a career. This will not happen at the mainline routes due to the unions focusing on the top 1/3. Management will never agree to a $20/hr pay raise across the board and the union will never agree to a $20/hr pay raise for the FOs only.
I see the problem really being that what we call a regional isn't a regional anymore. Its domestic outsourcing. If the subcontractor can do the job better than the prime, sooner or later, the prime gets hosed.
What I'm saying is that either the legacies need to maintain their foothold and grow (I would venture to say that their management and labor groups are too entrenched to be creative though) or the big "regionals" need to stand on their own brand.
What I'm suggesting is effectively the death of mainline carriers. Unfortunately, just the like auto industry, the union pay scales can get out of hand at the top. When you are paying guys over $250k a year to work less than a week each month, you simply are not getting much bang for you buck. I certainly would love that job, but its not realistic in our global market.
What I advocate for long term pay in this new paradigm is to bring the bottom up and the top down to create a more balance pay structure over a career. This will not happen at the mainline routes due to the unions focusing on the top 1/3. Management will never agree to a $20/hr pay raise across the board and the union will never agree to a $20/hr pay raise for the FOs only.
I see the problem really being that what we call a regional isn't a regional anymore. Its domestic outsourcing. If the subcontractor can do the job better than the prime, sooner or later, the prime gets hosed.
