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ZeroTT 11-09-2021 04:51 AM

50 seat sunset
 
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united...us-cities/amp/

Fifty-seat service going away as Kirby discussed

rickair7777 11-09-2021 05:07 AM

It's almost gone from my hometown, seriously thinking of buying a plane for family visits.

iceman21 11-09-2021 05:24 AM

I don't believe this is because of what Kirby discussed. Several thousand hours of fly have been giving back to United by the regional carriers due to staffing issues.

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KelvinHelmholtz 11-09-2021 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3320465)
I don't believe this is because of what Kirby discussed. Several thousand hours of fly have been giving back to United by the regional carriers due to staffing issues.

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Air Whiskey pilots are so deep in denial about this… reminds me of Compass people in 2018-2019 when it was clear their Delta contract would not be renewed

iceman21 11-09-2021 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3320469)
Air Whiskey pilots are so deep in denial about this… reminds me of Compass people in 2018-2019 when it was clear their Delta contract would not be renewed

I'm not in denial about anything. The flying was given back to United. Not taken. Unless this situation was purposefully created by United. We lost 40 to Aviate last month. 18 the first 2 weeks of November. There are no more sims available backing up the training pipeline. Sim dates are now pushing 4 months for new hires.

I know the majority of the routes canceled have been ZW routes but EVERY UA regional carrier gave hours back to UA this month. EVERY ONE.

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ZeroTT 11-09-2021 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3320465)
I don't believe this is because of what Kirby discussed. Several thousand hours of fly have been giving back to United by the regional carriers due to staffing issues.

it is exactly what he said

“We’re struggling with that, we feel some obligation to keep the communities connected, but the economics ultimately aren’t going to work, and pilot shortages — you know, they’re getting squeezed.”

he said the pilot shortage (ie carriers giving back hours) makes the 50 seat model unworkable. And so they are winding down the flying


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepoin...view-iata/amp/

DarkSideMoon 11-09-2021 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3320475)
it is exactly what he said

“We’re struggling with that, we feel some obligation to keep the communities connected, but the economics ultimately aren’t going to work, and pilot shortages — you know, they’re getting squeezed.”

he said the pilot shortage (ie carriers giving back hours) makes the 50 seat model unworkable. And so they are winding down the flying


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepoin...view-iata/amp/

Its not just pilot shortages either, I know a lot of smaller stations are having trouble getting rampers and agents.

Zerosilver84 11-09-2021 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3320465)
I don't believe this is because of what Kirby discussed. Several thousand hours of fly have been giving back to United by the regional carriers due to staffing issues.

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Delta pilots would love that. However tons of hours were given to their WO due to staffing issues over the summer.

KelvinHelmholtz 11-09-2021 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by iceman21 (Post 3320473)
I'm not in denial about anything. The flying was given back to United. Not taken. Unless this situation was purposefully created by United. We lost 40 to Aviate last month. 18 the first 2 weeks of November. There are no more sims available backing up the training pipeline. Sim dates are now pushing 4 months for new hires.

I know the majority of the routes canceled have been ZW routes but EVERY UA regional carrier gave hours back to UA this month. EVERY ONE.

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But not every one has a fleet of obsolete 20 year old 200s with no prospects of new CPA flying

iceman21 11-09-2021 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3320553)
But not every one has a fleet of obsolete 20 year old 200s with no prospects of new CPA flying

Yes, however, that doesn't mean I'm in denial of anything that is going on. Writing is on the wall but I'm not in a C level suite, and I suspect you aren't either.

ZW has a way of throwing a curveball into everyone's crystal ball...

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