ALPA Leadership concerns....
03-29-2022 | 12:00 AM
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Imagine if all regional jets currently flying under a major airline partner right now were magically operated by the same pilots they are now but employed by the company painted on the airplane and getting all the benefits, work rules, retirement, etc that current mainline pilots get now. Would there be a pilot shortage?
I see your point, and the regional model is not sustainable at this point long term. What is likely to happen is the 50 seaters will go away and the airlines that operate them will close up shop. Your “big” regionals with the 175s (Republic / Skywest) will continue to operate and the legacy airlines (UAL, DL and AA) will eventually acquire A220s & 190 E2s and operate “regional” routes with them. Yes scope clause and all that, but most unions will agree to anything once the airlines throw money at them.
03-29-2022 | 02:42 AM
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I see your point, and the regional model is not sustainable at this point long term. What is likely to happen is the 50 seaters will go away and the airlines that operate them will close up shop. Your “big” regionals with the 175s (Republic / Skywest) will continue to operate and the legacy airlines (UAL, DL and AA) will eventually acquire A220s & 190 E2s and operate “regional” routes with them. Yes scope clause and all that, but most unions will agree to anything once the airlines throw money at them.
03-29-2022 | 05:33 AM
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You’re probably right about the 50 seaters going away and the legacies being forced to take back a large portion of the regional feed with something like the A220’s. The next thing that will happen is there will be a thread on every board complaining about flying 4+ legs a day with short layovers. 🙄
03-29-2022 | 12:30 PM
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Of course. With higher rates, more would stay than do currently. Not everyone at the regionals is a 25 year old with no responsibilities, for whom moving to the majors offers a very clear betterment of their career/life. Even at the current rates, there are plenty of pilots who have determined that it's better for them and their families if they stay at their regional job. The higher the pay rates, the more of those pilots there are.
Further, the higher the pay rates, the more it makes sense for people to come to the regionals in the first place. Right now there are corporate gigs offering 1500 hr FOs more pay than some regional captains make. The LCCs and cargo are going to be hiring pilots at ATP mins with no jet time. If the regionals don't raise pay and quality of life, the regionals will have nothing to offer pilots other than a flow and quick upgrade. And in this hiring environment, the flow and a quick upgrade is worth far less than it used to be.
So yes, regional staffing issues are of their own doing. It's very simple. If they offered competitive compensation, benefits, and quality of life, they would have more pilots.
Further, the higher the pay rates, the more it makes sense for people to come to the regionals in the first place. Right now there are corporate gigs offering 1500 hr FOs more pay than some regional captains make. The LCCs and cargo are going to be hiring pilots at ATP mins with no jet time. If the regionals don't raise pay and quality of life, the regionals will have nothing to offer pilots other than a flow and quick upgrade. And in this hiring environment, the flow and a quick upgrade is worth far less than it used to be.
So yes, regional staffing issues are of their own doing. It's very simple. If they offered competitive compensation, benefits, and quality of life, they would have more pilots.
03-29-2022 | 04:42 PM
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03-29-2022 | 04:51 PM
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03-29-2022 | 05:49 PM
#38
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Showing your ignorance again. I don't do 3 week tours. The 5-6 day trips are my jam. Some like the 15 day trips that pay 200 hours. Horses for courses, glad we have all this variety.
03-29-2022 | 06:22 PM
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Atlas isn’t a bad CJO one bit and the schedules work for many different folks. If you don’t like a long block of days, well we have schedules that have shorter duration of trips as well.
Atlas isn’t a bad place to set the parking brake until e desired CJO comes along….
03-29-2022 | 07:54 PM
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Finished with IOE and out flying the line as a PIC. The majors want to see a successful upgrade. The conferences can make a big difference, you get "face" time with a recruiter. It gives you an edge assuming you make a good impression. But I wouldn't call in sick to attend one, that could backfire.
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