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SonicFlyer 06-08-2022 11:22 AM

ALPA says there is no pilot shortage
 
https://airlineweekly.com/2022/06/pi...-u-s-shortage/

Jdub2 06-08-2022 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3436774)

would you please just get off it

TransWorld 06-08-2022 03:52 PM

Somebody is blowing smoke up my rear end.

planejoe 06-08-2022 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3436774)


Because it's a pay\benefits shortage. Right in the article: Majors have no issues hiring, regionals do. Wonder why.

TALPAtalker 06-08-2022 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3436965)
Because it's a pay\benefits shortage. Right in the article: Majors have no issues hiring, regionals do. Wonder why.

This is correct. RAA wants the address the front end of the regional pilot pipeline without considering the back end — ie. why so many leave, and not always for a major air carrier.

tallpilot 06-08-2022 07:38 PM

SonicFlyer believes very strongly that we need to lower the standards and allow the pilot labor market to be flooded with new applicants. One look at Mesa's new TA shows why that is not a good idea.

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Flyweight 06-09-2022 08:49 AM

Alpa is right. The pilot hiring market is competitive for the first time in forever, and the trash at RAA, their stooges, and management doesn’t like it.

“Whaddya mean? You’re quitting? How could you do this to us?”

Mytime2025 06-10-2022 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3436965)
Because it's a pay\benefits shortage. Right in the article: Majors have no issues hiring, regionals do. Wonder why.

So analysts, airline management, Boeing , are all wrong and ALPA is right?
BS.

planejoe 06-10-2022 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3438068)
So analysts, airline management, Boeing , are all wrong and ALPA is right?
BS.

Not saying that analysts, airline management, Boeing or whoever else is wrong. They do have a pilot shortage but it's not because the pilots don't exist, it's because they aren't paying them. If a major carrier absorbed its regional and paid those pilots LCC rates or higher then attrition would stop instantaneously and applications would go through the roof. They refuse to do that so "pilot shortage".

Look at the number of ATPs issued in the last 10 years and you'll see your answer.

I guess it's cheaper to train people to fly a few hundred hours and watch them leave to an LCC and then park jets in the desert instead.

Mytime2025 06-10-2022 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3438105)
Not saying that analysts, airline management, Boeing or whoever else is wrong. They do have a pilot shortage but it's not because the pilots don't exist, it's because they aren't paying them. If a major carrier absorbed its regional and paid those pilots LCC rates or higher then attrition would stop instantaneously and applications would go through the roof. They refuse to do that so "pilot shortage".

Look at the number of ATPs issued in the last 10 years and you'll see your answer.

I guess it's cheaper to train people to fly a few hundred hours and watch them leave to an LCC and then park jets in the desert instead.

You obviously are just buying the ALPA propaganda line. First those numbers are not complete. How many are even interested in an airline carreer? How many of those ATPs are current? How many are medicaled out? ALPA posted numbers that look very incomplete in my opinion. The FAA has acknowledged a pilot shortage. ALPA is the outlier in this.


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