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FlyyGuyy 08-13-2022 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3477151)
This is where unions lose all credibility by being absurd.

Should they push for better pay, work rules, and safety? Absolutely.

But when they say things like this they look completely out of touch with reality.

If you believe the current situation isn't because of mismanagement, I dunno what to tell you. Airlines have been aware of the pending shortage for decades.... Yet they failed to prepare and to pay up to make the jobs appealing to new entrants.

Cleared4appch 08-13-2022 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 3477188)
If you believe the current situation isn't because of mismanagement, I dunno what to tell you. Airlines have been aware of the pending shortage for decades.... Yet they failed to prepare and to pay up to make the jobs appealing to new entrants.

This X1000!

OOfff 08-13-2022 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3477151)
This is where unions lose all credibility by being absurd.

Should they push for better pay, work rules, and safety? Absolutely.

But when they say things like this they look completely out of touch with reality.

since you’re on the outside of the airline world, I’ll tell you first hand: these issues are almost entirely because of operational mismanagement.

SonicFlyer 08-13-2022 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 3477188)
If you believe the current situation isn't because of mismanagement, I dunno what to tell you. Airlines have been aware of the pending shortage for decades.... Yet they failed to prepare and to pay up to make the jobs appealing to new entrants.

That's only one factor. The over burdensome regulatory environment, specifically the 1500 hour rule, put forth by Obama is another large factor.

Slow2Final 08-13-2022 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by sonicflyer (Post 3477251)
that's only one factor. The over burdensome regulatory environment, specifically the 1500 hour rule, put forth by obama is another large factor.

THANKS Obama.

FlightFerg 08-14-2022 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3477251)
That's only one factor. The over burdensome regulatory environment, specifically the 1500 hour rule, put forth by Obama is another large factor.

I mean I prefer having less deadly crashes with that 1500 hour rule. If you don’t I guess that’s cool too.

SonicFlyer 08-14-2022 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by FlightFerg (Post 3477349)
I mean I prefer having less deadly crashes with that 1500 hour rule. If you don’t I guess that’s cool too.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. I really wish they still mandated a logic class freshman year of college.

rickair7777 08-14-2022 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3477352)
Correlation doesn't equal causation.


Agree in general, but we stopped having fatal hull losses while the rest of the world did not. Big coincidence.

I'll take it at face value, until somebody can prove that wet commercials are safer than ATP's.

2StgTurbine 08-14-2022 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3477251)
That's only one factor. The over burdensome regulatory environment, specifically the 1500 hour rule, put forth by Obama is another large factor.

So have you ever had to fly with an inexperienced pilot in a jet before? What's your actual experience?

SonicFlyer 08-14-2022 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3477365)
Agree in general, but we stopped having fatal hull losses while the rest of the world did not. Big coincidence.

I'll take it at face value, until somebody can prove that wet commercials are safer than ATP's.

This has been explained multiple times, the 1500 hour rule had nothing to do with safety, it had to do with Obama giving a political favor to the unions. The Part 117 rest rules and training emphasis on stall prevention and recovery that came out of Colgan were absolutely 100% safety related and a good thing. But the 1500 hour rule had nothing to do with safety. Anyone who can think their way out of a wet paper sack can understand this.


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