HalinTexas

Were these pay bumps negotiated with the unions (if applicable) as permanent changes to the CBA?

Were they hourly pay bumps or just bonus or retention pay?

Catches or qualifiers? Do you have to stick around for a given amount of time?

highfarfast

Regarding the ones released over the weekend, not bonuses. Actual pay bumps. It s a nuanced LOA where some of the pay increases are permanent. Some are temporary. I m not aware of any provision requiring pilots to stick around but I ll admit to skipping over parts not applicable to me.

Gotchas? Envoy s contract was extended from 2024 to 2029. Also something there allowing the company to start new hires on a higher step for pay if company chooses which is a concession. None of these reps will be here long enough for these two concessions to hurt them in any way, so...

It doesn't sound to me like much negotiating took place. Looks like AAG came down with a similar offer to all three WO regionals and it was signed by Envoy and Piedmont quickly. Last I heard, PSA was holding out, didnt like some concessions in their deal.

HalinTexas

Thank you.

So, is it fair to state that there have been some contract extensions across the board?

rickair7777

The majority of the raises are temporary and snap back within a certain time period. Although the airlines may well extend that based on supply & demand.

The bonuses are of course inherently temporary.

The permanent components of the raises are modest, but nice.


Bottom line, if you looking for a long and lucrative career, keep updating your apps with the majors.

highfarfast

Some of the permanent components were more than modest. But yes, the permanent pay scale was 'modest, but nice' as you put it. Some permanent details that I think are more than modest is the 100% override to line check airman, no more cap at pay step 12 and now extends all the way to step 20, captains on property for more than 6 years move to pay step 20, and sim check airman pay increased to 130-145 hours per month.

But in the end it's still a regional which means it's a stepping stone. Everyone should be getting to where they want to finish so they can start building seniority there. But there are some that may decide to hang around for the pay and whatnot. Might be a good recruiting tool for new hires though.

moabmatt

My understanding of this is that you have to have selected “Yes” to the Flow. How many captains around for that long haven’t flowed already?

Macchi30

I thought it said that if you haven’t flowed to AA within 5 years of DOH you get maxed out pay at $213/hr

highfarfast

Quite a few really. I will be on property for over 6 years before I flow (would have been on pay step 7 when I flowed before this LOA) and I was I hired at a time considered to be pretty close to the 'fastest' for flow. Flow math don't work and a lot of us have been saying so. At least we get paid for it now. Well, sorta, I will say it comes a year late since the company claims a 5 year flow and you don't get the pay bump until year 6.

It's at the completion of your 5th year. Not the same as 'haven't flowed in 5 years'. Think of it this way. In your first year, you're on step 1 pay, but have completed 0 years of service.

dera

The maxed out pay will be $147.50 not $213 after 2 years.

AirBear

It could be that, but unless we're in a bad recession with surplus pilots I doubt it will change.