SAAB you are misinformed
07-03-2007, 07:13 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Onfinal
Duvie, not to jump on what you've said here, but the devil is in the details.
1) SKYW second year FO pay is 3 dollars an hour more than mine. Yet its for a 70 passenger jet. 40% more seats, 8% more pay.
2) Does SKYW Paid 100% for deadheads?
3) Do you have lot's of opportunity to trade trips, drop trips, bad day-worse day trades, open time swapping, and pick-up or drop?
4) 100% pay protection on cancellations, management pick-ups, etc.
5) Does SKYW have a Retirement Plan (A or B) and 401K.
6) Does SKYW employees receive annual profit sharing.
Don't know where SKYW stands on these items, but primarily I wanted to point out that there's more to it than what the pay table shows.
SKYW is the richest single regional in the country. I believe about 700 million in Cash and no union! If you guys don't have an industry leading contract, you have to ask...why not?
Onfinal
1) SKYW second year FO pay is 3 dollars an hour more than mine. Yet its for a 70 passenger jet. 40% more seats, 8% more pay.
2) Does SKYW Paid 100% for deadheads?
3) Do you have lot's of opportunity to trade trips, drop trips, bad day-worse day trades, open time swapping, and pick-up or drop?
4) 100% pay protection on cancellations, management pick-ups, etc.
5) Does SKYW have a Retirement Plan (A or B) and 401K.
6) Does SKYW employees receive annual profit sharing.
Don't know where SKYW stands on these items, but primarily I wanted to point out that there's more to it than what the pay table shows.
SKYW is the richest single regional in the country. I believe about 700 million in Cash and no union! If you guys don't have an industry leading contract, you have to ask...why not?
Onfinal
I’m not saying that we don’t deserve increase pay for increase revenue, we do!
BTW, on everything else you’ve posted. Do a little research, it’s not hard, just search this forum and you’ll get a complete breakdown of our & your pay packages.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=14048
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http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=8087
07-03-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fokker28
Don't forget to factor in that Horizon has a 100% match up to TEN percent on our 401(k)!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Really doesn't matter since I'm sure they'll try to wrench that away as soon as they possibly can...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Really doesn't matter since I'm sure they'll try to wrench that away as soon as they possibly can...
Last edited by bintynogin; 07-03-2007 at 08:14 PM.
07-04-2007, 10:16 AM
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The point he was getting at was XJT flys 50 seaters and Skywest flys 50/70/90 seaters for almost the same pay we do. I don't dog on Skywest because i wouldn't have minded working there myself and have many friends there. so what SAAB was getting at wasn't far off. Bottom line More seats should = more pay. Would you agree? MGMT wants people to believe that a CRJ 900 is just a CRJ and you don't deserve more money which is complete BS. Hopefully when/If XJT gets bigger planes we can help bring the bar up. Time will tell. We all deserve bigger paychecks no matter who we work for.
07-04-2007, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
The point he was getting at was XJT flys 50 seaters and Skywest flys 50/70/90 seaters for almost the same pay we do.
Last edited by JetJock16; 07-04-2007 at 12:02 PM.
07-04-2007, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Fokker28
Don't forget to factor in that Horizon has a 100% match up to TEN percent on our 401(k)!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Really doesn't matter since I'm sure they'll try to wrench that away as soon as they possibly can...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Really doesn't matter since I'm sure they'll try to wrench that away as soon as they possibly can...
07-04-2007, 08:59 PM
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are we all still in a pis#ing match over what airline is better? We are talking about job that pays 20-30K a year. Not a 100K difference, not even a 20K. So i guess some can afford brand name ketchup, and others have to shop at walmart. I envy you heinz guys. By the way JetJock the majority (49) of Mesaba's planes are 34 seaters. (3 900's, 2 200's, more options). Contract didnt include the 200's from 9E, and does include pay raises as more aircraft (900's) come on property.
07-04-2007, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sigep_nm
are we all still in a pis#ing match over what airline is better? We are talking about job that pays 20-30K a year. Not a 100K difference, not even a 20K. So i guess some can afford brand name ketchup, and others have to shop at walmart. I envy you heinz guys. By the way JetJock the majority (49) of Mesaba's planes are 34 seaters. (3 900's, 2 200's, more options). Contract didnt include the 200's from 9E, and does include pay raises as more aircraft (900's) come on property.
07-04-2007, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
What the heck are you doing buying condiments when it's right there sitting at the edge of the counter in all the airport restaurants
07-05-2007, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Normy!
Have you people ever heard of the cargo end of the industry?
I was hired to fly 747's at Kalitta Air in 2003, and my first year was $40 per hour, with a 60 hour guarantee. In year three I made Captain [by the way it happens quicker now~] at $106 per hour. I generally flew one leg to somewhere...then sat around for a day or two. Hard life huh? It was pretty tough sitting around in a 5 star hotel in Hong Kong or Dubai for three days at a time. And it was pretty tough riding those airline tickets home to Fort Lauderdale- there was no commuting or crash pads. The Chief Pilot is Paul Bishop, and he's a great guy! He flew the 747 used in the film "Air Force One"
www.kalittaair.com
-So what are you folks doing at "airlines" like ASA, Mesa, and Pinnacle?
I was hired to fly 747's at Kalitta Air in 2003, and my first year was $40 per hour, with a 60 hour guarantee. In year three I made Captain [by the way it happens quicker now~] at $106 per hour. I generally flew one leg to somewhere...then sat around for a day or two. Hard life huh? It was pretty tough sitting around in a 5 star hotel in Hong Kong or Dubai for three days at a time. And it was pretty tough riding those airline tickets home to Fort Lauderdale- there was no commuting or crash pads. The Chief Pilot is Paul Bishop, and he's a great guy! He flew the 747 used in the film "Air Force One"
www.kalittaair.com
-So what are you folks doing at "airlines" like ASA, Mesa, and Pinnacle?
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