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shanejj 07-10-2007 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193405)
Ahhh. I see. Had the connections for he 135 ops. :D Great opportunity though!

hehe

blastboy 07-10-2007 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193411)
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hehe


Hey, how long did it take you to get a call back? I mailed in my resume so I guess it would take longer.

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193412)
Hey, how long did it take you to get a call back? I mailed in my resume so I guess it would take longer.

Like 3days....but I sprayed perfume all over it..so.....:D

POPA 07-10-2007 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193416)
Like 3days....but I sprayed perfume all over it...:D

Somebody's been watching Legally Blonde on ABC Family.

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 193419)
Somebody's been watching Legally Blonde on ABC Family.

You should see those girls that get hired at 190TT do the bend and snap:D

blastboy 07-10-2007 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193420)
You should see those girls that get hired at 190TT do the bend and snap:D

HeHeHe! Might need to dress up as a female when I go for the interview. :D


Did you mail in your resume or email it?

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193423)
HeHeHe! Might need to dress up as a female when I go for the interview. :D


Did you mail in your resume or email it?

Email!!!
If you mail it, they might think you can't operate a computer....naw, I'm joking

KiloDelta 07-10-2007 05:22 PM

Well, no matter what anybody says, I am going to try as soon as I have completed my training, which isn't far off. I know for a fact that my school can't hold on to instructors because they are realizing that they didn't even need to CFI or they only needed to do it for a few months. If I can skip that step, I am going to. I am fairly certain that I can handle 121 operations, and can't wait to prove critics wrong. I feel like a lot of people do in aviation; that they were born to fly and catch on to new situations quickly.

BTW, I am from an aviation family. My uncle went to the Air Force Academy, flew F-16s for 12 years, and is now a CA for Southwest. My father was in the air force as an F-16 mechanic, so I have been around this stuff for a long time. I always wanted to start flying before college, but I didn't have the means.

Thanks for the advice though guys!

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:25 PM

Funny thought just popped....
Think the MOA's where you cant fly are there because 300hr guys are flying those fast things? :D



[Yes, I'm that bored]

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by KiloDelta (Post 193429)
Well, no matter what anybody says, I am going to try as soon as I have completed my training, which isn't far off. I know for a fact that my school can't hold on to instructors because they are realizing that they didn't even need to CFI or they only needed to do it for a few months. If I can skip that step, I am going to. I am fairly certain that I can handle 121 operations, and can't wait to prove critics wrong. I feel like a lot of people do in aviation; that they were born to fly and catch on to new situations quickly.

BTW, I am from an aviation family. My uncle went to the Air Force Academy, flew F-16s for 12 years, and is now a CA for Southwest. My father was in the air force as an F-16 mechanic, so I have been around this stuff for a long time. I always wanted to start flying before college, but I didn't have the means.

Thanks for the advice though guys!

Alright!
Make sure to tell us when you have your ratings and when you get hired!

Just have a great attitude and don't Fedex threads from APC or other forum boards to companies!

Slice 07-10-2007 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193350)
300hrs couldn't put you in command of a jet anyhow.

You are in command by default if the guy to your left becomes incapacitated.

KiloDelta 07-10-2007 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193434)
Alright!
Make sure to tell us when you have your ratings and when you get hired!

Just have a great attitude and don't Fedex threads from APC or other forum boards to companies!

for sure! exciting times.....gotta love it

BoilerUP 07-10-2007 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 193437)
You are in command by default if the guy to your left becomes incapacitated.

And that is what makes the attitude of some low-timers folks simply appalling...

...and I don't have a problem with most low-time folks!

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KiloDelta (Post 193438)
for sure! exciting times.....gotta love it

Riiight

blastboy 07-10-2007 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193434)
Alright!
Make sure to tell us when you have your ratings and when you get hired!

Just have a great attitude and don't Fedex threads from APC or other forum boards to companies!

LOL! I know what you mean about the FedEx thing.

Kilo - Like I said, go for it! I come from an aviation family as well so I know what you mean. The best of luck to you!

shanejj 07-10-2007 05:54 PM

Attention all members and lurkers, 0154Z information X

Another hour and still bored...
I'm leaving because I'm really bored now.
And no ones posting!

flyingfalcon401 07-10-2007 05:56 PM

shane I think we all ran out of things to say. How are things at PSA?

HercDriver130 07-10-2007 06:00 PM

Its all about the training. Having been military trained, I found my self with just over 200 hours flying in the right seat of a C130 all over Europe and the middle east. Even saying that I am pretty surprised at the lowered mins many of the regionals are touting these days. Every person is different. What you dont want to happen however is to go to training and then washout.

MoonShot 07-10-2007 06:46 PM

Who cares about young pilots? Regardless of age, the bottom line is that it is how you conduct and present yourself that determines your amount of professionalism.

CaptainMark 07-11-2007 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 193495)
Who cares about young pilots? Regardless of age, the bottom line is that it is how you conduct and present yourself that determines your amount of professionalism.


i agree...also get your education...that is a big point being missed here...i was flying lears at 19 and had a full time job offer..turned it down to finish college...i'm 38 know and been at FDX for 13 years..best decision i made was to finish school and know i am on goal to retire very young... what matters in this profession is how young you retire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


also i met a pinnacle pilot the other day with no college and has been there for 21 years..worst thing he said he did is not go to school...now i have to get back to my 8 weeks off..remember to see the big picture...good luck to you all...

Puckhead 07-11-2007 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainMark (Post 193675)
i agree...also get your education...that is a big point being missed here...i was flying lears at 19 and had a full time job offer..turned it down to finish college...i'm 38 know and been at FDX for 13 years..best decision i made was to finish school and know i am on goal to retire very young... what matters in this profession is how young you retire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


also i met a pinnacle pilot the other day with no college and has been there for 21 years..worst thing he said he did is not go to school...now i have to get back to my 8 weeks off..remember to see the big picture...good luck to you all...


You have eight weeks off???!!!! All i can say is Im horribly jealous......

Diver Driver 07-11-2007 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193434)
Just have a great attitude and don't Fedex threads from APC or other forum boards to companies!

Lol, nice... that sucks. :eek:

Freightpuppy 07-11-2007 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by KiloDelta (Post 193332)
I know the number one response to the question that I am raising is experience, but I feel like I could handle it, especially after I complete the optional CRJ jet course that is available to me.



Whatever you do, DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT waste your money on the "optional" CRJ jet course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superpilot92 07-11-2007 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 193706)
Whatever you do, DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT waste your money on the "optional" CRJ jet course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AGREE!!!!
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KiloDelta 07-11-2007 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 193706)
Whatever you do, DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT waste your money on the "optional" CRJ jet course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't it look good for a low-time pilot to do the course and say he has at least a little jet experience? Also, wouldn't it help with training?

G2TT 07-11-2007 08:03 AM

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Deez340 07-11-2007 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by KiloDelta (Post 193332)
Hi all. This is my first post on this forum. I am currently working on my multi- commercial rating at a part 141 University. Almost every day at the airport I am hearing about the possibilities of graduating (which I have done already), finishing up your commercial license and getting a job with the regionals.


I have read how a lot of you guys/gals already in the industry are a little unsure about such low time folks getting jobs as FOs. However, since I am in the position to possibly get a job as a low time pilot, why shouldn't I take it? I have a lot of student loans to pay off and need to get my career started ASAP.

I know the number one response to the question that I am raising is experience, but I feel like I could handle it, especially after I complete the optional CRJ jet course that is available to me.

I was just curious as to what you guys think about it. If these low time pilots can make it through training, then why don't they deserve to be there?

There is no reason for you to have low time when you graduate! Work your a^^ off and get your ratings early. Then spend the rest of college life gaining hours and experience. Do whatever it takes! (ie... flying sky divers, flight instruction, aircraft deliveries, banner towing, charters, ect...) I entered college with 110 hours and a private pilots license. I graduated with over 1700 hours and over 700 multi Commercial single multi land and sea, CFII/MEI. I was in new hire class at the airline of my choice two days after my last final exam. (was also offered jobs at three other airlines) It can be done.

Your goal should be to get hired as soon as possible not with as little experience as possible. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Don't graduate with nothing but the 250 hrs you got in training and start whining about how you deserve this job or that job.

Joepa84 07-11-2007 08:47 AM

Apparently PSA is so easy a caveman can do it...Thats funny but, I heard they had a "flawed training environment" over there...Only kind replys guys I will fedex this if needed! HA. What were some of the times of the guys/gals from your class though?

shanejj 07-11-2007 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Joepa84 (Post 193774)
Apparently PSA is so easy a caveman can do it...Thats funny but, I heard they had a "flawed training environment" over there...Only kind replys guys I will fedex this if needed! HA. What were some of the times of the guys/gals from your class though?

300 through 1500....
All got through except for the 1500TT guy.

And before anyone starts....we all had some experience...
>8KTT F.E, part 91/135/121 experience......;)

actually, the 1500 timer only had some CFI experience....

blastboy 07-11-2007 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by shanejj (Post 193907)
300 through 1500....
All got through except for the 1500TT guy.

And before anyone starts....we all had some experience...
>8KTT F.E, part 91/135/121 experience......;)

actually, the 1500 timer only had some CFI experience....

The 1500 guy washed out. Now isn't that interesting. All the low time guys hacked it. Low timers unite! :D

Slice 07-11-2007 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by KiloDelta (Post 193733)
Doesn't it look good for a low-time pilot to do the course and say he has at least a little jet experience? Also, wouldn't it help with training?

It looks best for the balance sheets of the companies offering it. Waste of time and money. If you need "extra help" then you aren't ready for the job.

blastboy 07-11-2007 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 193945)
It looks best for the balance sheets of the companies offering it. Waste of time and money. If you need "extra help" then you aren't ready for the job.

I agree with you thst it's a waste of money, but at the university it might be a bit cheaper. However, what is going to prepare him? CFIing wont prepare you for 121 or a CRJ. He'll get all the help he needs when he gets his first job.

ExperimentalAB 07-11-2007 02:25 PM

CRJ Course is good if you want to be just SLIGHTLY less overwhelmed in groundschool. Otherwise, save your money to live off of during first-year.

chitownpilot 07-11-2007 03:09 PM

My roommate took one of the CRJ/Jet transition courses in college...he said the major benefit was learning to operate in a crew environment vs. the single pilot environment we all started with. It also helped with systems.

The thing with airline training and procedures is, though many airlines may fly the same airplane, they all may have different procedures/flows/callouts/etc...that you will still need to learn. Even with a CRJ course, airline training is still a major untertaking that needs a LOT of study.

KiloDelta 07-11-2007 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193948)
I agree with you thst it's a waste of money, but at the university it might be a bit cheaper. However, what is going to prepare him? CFIing wont prepare you for 121 or a CRJ. He'll get all the help he needs when he gets his first job.

That is my personal belief as well. I don't feel like CFIing will help me out a whole lot for the 121 world, so hopefully I get some bites when I send out some apps in a few months.

Slice 07-11-2007 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193948)
I agree with you thst it's a waste of money, but at the university it might be a bit cheaper. However, what is going to prepare him? CFIing wont prepare you for 121 or a CRJ. He'll get all the help he needs when he gets his first job.

Learning how to study systems of the various aircraft you fly before landing a job carrying pax will help you in airline training. How did thousands and thousands of CFI or other GA experienced pilots ever get through their first 121 ground school over the past decades without a CRJ or other entry aircraft prep course? Experience, hard work, and studying.

blastboy 07-11-2007 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 193972)
Learning how to study systems of the various aircraft you fly before landing a job carrying pax will help you in airline training. How did thousands and thousands of CFI or other GA experienced pilots ever get through their first 121 ground school over the past decades without a CRJ or other entry aircraft prep course? Experience, hard work, and studying.

The most complex aircraft the average CFI will fly might be a Baron or Comanche. The systems on those A/C's don't compare to an RJ. 10,000 hours in a comanche wont prepare you for the 121 environment or the RJ systems. I agree there might be a pich of similarity but as I browse through the 727 manual here, I can't see anyway to prepare for such a plane before actually getting the job and going through the training. The training at most carriers is absolutely top notch and is more than sufficient if one can graduate from the class. The remaining experience falls on top of the training when flying the line. But you said it right; hard work and studying!

blastboy 07-11-2007 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by KiloDelta (Post 193971)
That is my personal belief as well. I don't feel like CFIing will help me out a whole lot for the 121 world, so hopefully I get some bites when I send out some apps in a few months.

Dont worry, you'll get plenty of bites. The pilot shortage is just going to get worse so you wont have a problem. Plenty of guys at both regional and legacy that dont have CFI.

Slice 07-11-2007 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193989)
The most complex aircraft the average CFI will fly might be a Baron or Comanche. The systems on those A/C's don't compare to an RJ. 10,000 hours in a comanche wont prepare you for the 121 environment or the RJ systems. I agree there might be a pich of similarity but as I browse through the 727 manual here, I can't see anyway to prepare for such a plane before actually getting the job and going through the training. The training at most carriers is absolutely top notch and is more than sufficient if one can graduate from the class. The remaining experience falls on top of the training when flying the line. But you said it right; hard work and studying!

I meant learning how to learn a new aircraft, not that the systems are similar. It gets a little easier each time you do it.

KiloDelta 07-11-2007 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by blastboy (Post 193992)
Dont worry, you'll get plenty of bites. The pilot shortage is just going to get worse so you wont have a problem. Plenty of guys at both regional and legacy that dont have CFI.

that is good to hear...however, I will pretty much be at the average of the graduates of my university as far as hours go......250 and 50...so that will be my only problem


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