You will be fine with the Multi time, however, there are a few regionals out there who want more than that. If possible, try to build some time on the side. Go hang out at the FBO and make some pals to fly with. Or try to get some right seat time as a gear swinger with a 91 or 135 company. Where are you going to school at? What state?

I suppose it doesn't really matter if I say what school I am going to, seeing as how I have nothing but good things to say about it. I graduated from WMU in Michigan with a bachelors in Aviation Flight Science a few months ago, and I am finishing up my multi-commercial right now. I do have a few people that I could probably fly with on the side once I get my commercial.

We have hired a few young low timers over the years, and they always seem very eager and full of themselves, ready to take on the world, think they can handle everything just cause they got thru 2 weeks of ground and sim school. First trip they realize just how far in over thier head they are and how unglamorus the job is. and that chicks just don't give a sh1t what you look like in uniform.

Wow! That's an encouraging paragraph. It's not the low timers with that attitude, it's the person. There are plenty of eager and full of themselves captains and 10,000 hour guys alike. It doesn't just boil down to pilots with low time in their logbook.

But your chicks not giving a dook is one mans' opinion. I beg to differ on that subject :D

By the way, what outfit do you fly for?

part 135 , citations 550's and 650's, And what I ment are the newbies get that shiny jet syndrome. I've seen it dozens of times, hell I had it 10 yrs ago. my first trip was a real eye opener. One capt. used to joke , the reason we have two FMS's in the plane is so I can set one up 20NM behind cause thats how far back you are. But I was 27 years old and mature enough to realize I didnt know as much , or was ready to take on as much as I thought. unlike lowtime young brand new comm. pilots

When I interviewed with PNCL almost a year ago I was by far the youngest guy in the room (just turned 21), as well as the lowest time guy (roughly 1000/250 with all the CFI's) and I was the only guy out of 11 who was hired- 3 were offered jobs and 3 screwed up the interview so I am no "superpilot" by the 1/11 statement. I was given a compliment in my HR interview that I had graduated a year early and with honors and then they asked why they should hire me instead of another guy in the breakroom with 3 times the flight time, a 4-year degree, 121 experience, and type ratings... I think the young pilot with ambition and is willing to put forth a little effort while your buddies are still doing keg stands will get you somewhere. Of course I said something more "PC" but thats the jist of it. They then told me- we will teach you what you need to know, and you will learn the rest before you are old enough to even be a CA. A 4-year degree is the first staple of a resume- its the fact that you show you can be taught and you will complete what you start. The next staple is the flight time (both TT and the columns that matter- PIC/JET), from that point in the job interview they are interviewing YOU. Age does matter, maturity and credentials matter, as does appearance (a fat slob just doesn't give as much confidence as someone who takes care of their body). A 25 year old with 4500TT and 1000TJPIC may get a better shot at the job compared to a 40 year old with 4500TT and 1000TJPIC. On a side note I can say that it is very bothersome for a CA to treat you like a kid just because his "kid" is also your age... don't get me started on this rant...Only happened twice but it still ticks me off..


Of course my "staples" are opinions up for debate... but I don't think many will find them too wrong...

try being a widebody captain and the first officers kids are older than you...and they try and treat you like a kid...or someone under their command! that is always fun!

I guess I am just doomed to be the "kid".. I have already had a few jumpseaters to MEM recognize my last name and ask "is ___ you dad"?

well then you know FF.....FF got me hired at FDX years ago and told me about all the "sons" over there.....i was called "gerber" here when i got hired

Man i wish i had your problems!:D I can sympathize with you somewhat. when i was a regional captain some of the older guys (FOs) initially had trouble with the idea of a young whippersnapper like me being their captain. (even though I had way more flying experience) I've found that whether you're a Captain or FO and you know your sh*t, the respect that earns usually follows in short order. I always found a way to extend them the respect they had earned for their greater life experience while maintaining my authority. Although i do remember a particular old geezer who couldn't remember who had the four bars and needed some "motivation" to get with the program.:rolleyes:

I have a friend who is a 727 Capt. at purple. He is young and looks even younger. He is always mistaken for a new hire engineer.

Agreed. Jumpsat on one such captain's plane last night as a matter of fact.

Yeah....I had my first trip Monday...
Guess there are some things the sim doesnt teach you....:o

And yeah...chicks don't care about the uniform....they want you nekkid:D

LMFAO. Quote of the month, folks :D

Chicks dig the Uniform, absolutely! But they always prefer it piled on the floor by the bed haha. And I am lucky to be able to speak from personal experience LoL

Psst...Could you send me a PM with the company info? I'd like to send a resume. :D

I'm not sure, I think the pilot uniform is getting played out.. but obviously I'm a pilot so I see it all the time. It really depends on the man wearing it, ya know. I noticed a lot of my peers these days (young regional dudes) are kinda sloppy with it.. shirts that are too big, obviously not ironed and ill-fitting pants that sag too low. I know we get paid crap but it doesn't cost any money to pick the right size or to iron your shirt.. btw, I hate ironing myself but the crisp uniform looks so nice. Yesterday I even saw a guy who wasn't wearing any undershirt underneath.. I was kinda appalled when I could see pale-ish flesh tone underneath his pilot shirt. I mean.. just WHY???

Even with all the male pilots I pass by on a daily basis there really are only a few who look REALLY good. But so far I noticed that majors pilots look impeccable in their uniform. It just fits into the professional pilot image so much better than rumpled, ill-fitting uniform. And speaking of the few who do look really good, I am flying with a captain right now who I'm having a mini-crush on.. he's not HOT per se, but looks very professional in his uniform! Well, it could be the fact he's a great captain that makes him attractive. Seriously, I love flying with him, it's very pleasant. and that's the thing - you could be wearing the pilot uniform and even have a cute face, but if you're strutting around like you're hot poop and complaining about this and that and talking crap about everything and everyone the attractiveness level goes down to like -10.

disclaimer: this is all just IMHO.

I am a chick and I dont dig my uniform...... I hate it...... I look like a fool!!!!!!!! : )

Shane, sorry to be so blunt but why in the hell would you forgo college and start your career at 19?!! I love flying and it has been my dream for a long time as well but i would not give up all the fun i am having in college. Plus, you dont think it's gonna suck to have to go back to school in the middle of your career? I mean I know ive heard of a few majors such as CAL who dont require a 4-year degree, but ive heard that your chances are slim to none unless you have some serious connections. Dont get me wrong, I admire your hard work, but buddy, you dont want to be lookin back when you are forty saying "Damn, i missed the late-night parties, sleepin in everyday, and all the ladies."

yeah, college is/was sweet. I am still clinging on to the little bit of college life that I have left. Once I get my multi-commercial then its time to try and pay off some student loans!

Do you dig guys in brown? ;)

I know several people without degrees that work at regionals that are doing it online..... IT is not hard to do.....U can get a bachelors through UVSC in less than 3 years.....way less

depends..
1. does the uniform fit well and is it ironed out?
2. are you less than 30 lbs. overweight?
3. are you at least 5'11" and have nice blue eyes? :D

Alright kaly, your post begs the question. What do you look like in your uniform?:D You show me yours and i'll show you mine.:D I really hoping your avatar is not representative!:eek:

Then take it off!! [no1 is looking except me:D]

Partying is not everything [And I still get to do that], sleeping in everyday won't bring you far, and I still get all the ladies:D

I never gave up college.
I'm taking online classes.
I should be graduating in a year with a 4year. Probably will take longer now that I actually fly for the airlines.
But, I still disagree. Why does a college degree make you a better pilot?

Guess the airlines want to make sure they don't hire idiots who just have a high school?
Like they're gonna hire a 2, 000hr pilot with A degree versus someone with 10, 000 hours with NO degree:p

And when I'm 40, I should have around 20, 000 hours btw....
Assuming nothing bad happens:o

Having a degree doesn't make you a better pilot but more marketable to the majors for sure.

Funny story I was told the other day....A mutual famly friend was at an interview at National Airlines way back when with a group of 3 other guys. Our friend had about 4,000 hours with a 4 year degree and another guy in the group had a two year degree and over 12,000 hours. The 12,000 hour guy was the only one not hired out of the group. Everyone's guess was because he didn't have a 4 year degree. But you sound like you're on your way with it so no worries, eh! :)

well if you have 20,000hrs at 40 you have failed in this career...you will learn it's all about flying the least amount of time for the most pay...i have been flying widebodies at fdx for 13 years...when i got hired i had 4500 hrs...i turned 38 the other day and only have 9000 or so hours....averaging about 350hrs/yr...oh yeah, i had 2 degrees...life is good!!!!!!!!!!

As usual the "MY JOBS THE BEST" post.

350 hrs/yr sounds very good to me. :D You're spoiled, Captain Mark! :D

still a dork..as usual!

That's it? Wow! I had more time than you when I got hired at UPS. I thought only chicks and minorities got hired with less than 10,000 hours. :rolleyes:

yes, yes, no...5'10 and my eyes match the uniform.:(

Sounds like a another disgruntled pilot who doesn't care for low timers and who is probably stuck in a regional jet when he should be flying something heavier. Anyone is subject to being in an accident regardless of experience. 200 hr pilots get killed, but so do 20,000 hour Captains. Whether you have high or low time getting hired at an airline is a accomplishment for many and others a dream come true. Obviosuly these low timers are making it through training so they are just as qualified to fly as pilots of an older age/with more experience. I was hired with an airline 3 weeks before I graduated college and I am **** proud of it. But anyhow, good luck to all who pursue an aviation career and remember the sky is the limit. Things do not always come to you, sometimes you have to work for them and if you place yourself in the right position, you can succeed.

Since you're new, we'll assume you're just naive and not a d-bag like your post makes you out to be.
Slice is an F-16 driver who's about to start with FedEx.
Your guess was close, though.

I'll correct my statement from earlier. BOTH of you now seem disgruntled. I mean its cool your an F-16 driver, but at least have some respect. Seems like you guys are uncomfortable with yourselves.

must have been all that extra training!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

I'm not an F-16 guy. That's Slice.
Did they not teach you any reading comprehension at ERAU?

Congratulations on being hired into a 121 job straight out of college. Seriously, that's awesome and good luck in training. That said...six months out flying the line with reduced rest, 16 hour duty days, broken airplanes and missed commutes and you'll be disgruntled.

I'm a champion for lower-time pilots, and yes many are making it through training...but my airline's failure rate has spiked recently due in part to the relative inexperience of some of our newhires. Considering we have an excellent training department its safe to say that some folks just can't jump from cruising in a Seminole at 140kts to 1800RVR approaches at 147kts in a simulator that is much less stable than the airplane...that's one helluva leap to make. YES, I do think a turbine simulator or FTD course helps...but I think the market rates for such courses from places like FSI and ATP are ridiculously overpriced and because of that are a big waste of cash.

I always thought slice was a brown driver. Ooops. :D

Not disgruntled, UPS pilot, and no longer have to babysit FO's in RJ's. :) Nice try though.

I guess it's the age....
They gave me a week orso off...and I'm bummed...I actually wanna fly:D