Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797351)

I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.

For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.

I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.

Thanks all!

Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797351)

I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.

For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.

I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.

Thanks all!

Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3797412)

Did you log the SIC as SIC or as PIC?

Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797423)

SIC, since that's what I was.

Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797351)

I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.

For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.

I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.

Thanks all!

Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797351)

I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.

For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.

I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.

Thanks all!

Originally Posted by Hobi1225 (Post 3797466)

I'm assuming your AF, is the 975 coming from primary + secondary time?

Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797583)

Yeah, I’m AF. And correct, primary + secondary only, no sim or other time in that number. I also did not apply any time adjustments, though if I did, that puts me well into the 1000+ range.

Originally Posted by MicCheckOneTwo (Post 3797583)

Yeah, I’m AF. And correct, primary + secondary only, no sim or other time in that number. I also did not apply any time adjustments, though if I did, that puts me well into the 1000+ range.