Under FAA regs we can count time "under direct supervision of an actual PIC while performing the duties of a PIC" as PIC time for us as copilots towards R-ATP mins as long as we're in a two seat or more aircraft.

I thought that was for counting it towards getting your atp or ratp. Does this also count for the regional airlines hiring requirement of 250 pic also?

yes, I am a guard pilot hired at edv last year. I used 250 hours of my primary time (2 pilot cockpit) to satisfy the 250 hour pic time (only have 56 actual pic from when I was a PPL and the solo time in the T-6.
regs are confusing but if you justify it clearly the DPE won’t question it

I’ve been watching 121noob’s posts for quite awhile and I decided I wanted to finally chime in.

If you really wanted a 121 job you would make some sacrifices. After 11 years of active duty military I decided I hated it and wanted to pursue being a professional pilot (while I was in the military I would be gone for weeks at a time and my family survived). At the time I was almost 30 years old and was married, had a kid, and another on the way and had a house (I had obligations). At that point I was also making about 75k/yr. When I got out of the military in order to be able to pursue my pilot certificates I took a job in retail making $11/hr (poverty wages as you say). Yes my wife did work until the new baby came and combined we probably made about 70k/yr (still poverty wages as you say), but when the baby came it dropped off a lot, I’ll let you do the math with my $11/hr wage. After I got my private, I got a job at the FBO with an awesome raise to $12/hr (still poverty wages). A few years later I also, like you, ended up with a jet job early on in my flying career. Despite my jet time (I was obviously overqualified for a regional), I still got a job offer flying for a regional.

So to me, it sounds like you are just making excuses. If you really wanted to job, you would make sacrifices. Everything JohnBurke has said is spot on. And before you say it, I admit, my reading comprehension may not be that great.

I had similar circumstances, though I wasn’t in the military. We did have a baby around the time I wanted to finish my ratings, and it certainly made things very difficult in terms of going at it full time and studying. I was making a measly $12/hr at my local trucking job doing local deliveries. All in all, it took me about 7 years from start to finish from private to CFI. It wasn’t easy by any means but never complained like I’ve seen some people do who had it really easy. Idk how 121noob was when he was finishing his ratings, but I’ve certainly had students who had a sense of entitlement when I was an instructor. So it wouldn’t surprise me if 121noob portrayed himself to his instructors the same way as he did on here.

It appears as if he’s learned a lesson from a lot of people on here, albeit a hard lesson, when he finally came to the realization that he cannot count the time that he logged PIC towards the time requirements for airline jobs. He’s gone silent for at least a week or 2. Or so it seems, I could be wrong. But I think he definitely ate some humble pie when he realized that the reason nobody has called him was because of his PIC flight time. He wouldn’t listen when he was told by so many that, yes, he was able to legally log the time under the sole manipulator clause, but airlines frown upon that when looking for a job with them.

I have

I'm not.


Yup you made that clear

Just blindly trusting random people on the Internet is moronic. I had to do some research on my own.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. And yes I have had calls and interviews.

Oh really? With who? Which airline? Have you been hired?

If there's one thing that's clear over the course of his mind-numbing threads, it's that the guy isn't having anything to do with humble.

I come to a forum with a bunch of experienced 121 pilots, ask for advice, get advice that I don't like, and now I'd be a moron to listen to any of it. He has an answer to everyone for everything. I'm still saying epic troll thread.

Yeah I'm not going to post personally identifiable information.