downtownkid

I need some people's advice. I was at a regional airline earlier this year, and I failed my checkride, and got booted out of ground school. I am going to try to apply for other regional jobs like AE, and advice anyone has? Do you guys think it will affect me really bad? However when I failed the checkride it wasn't really fair what happened, and let's just say I got the worst guy in the place when that happened.

Cheers!

Diver Driver

Which regional?

HermannGraf

Did You failed the sim part or the "Ground school"? The "Innitial training" is "Ground school", "Sim training" and IOE I think............

I think the ground school ends with the Oral and you have to pass the Oral to start the Sim so I guess you failed the Sim part during your "Innitial New Hire training"...............

Now the important is if you did the checkride twice.
If you did then you have it on your FAA records and that can be a problem.

It is nasty to let a pilot do the checkride twice if he is not ready and he fails. (The company knows) That is playing with the pilots career as it gets into the FAA records. A good company will not release you for the Checkride if you are not ready for it.

AE are very negative to all that have failed, left or had problems during former 121 training. You cannot even have a number wrong on the application or any lapse in your background or anything.

I would not waste my time on them. Do research and see who is most open minded among the Regionals and who seems to understand that pilots are humans and can get into problems and learn from it.

downtownkid

Let's just say it is one of the top of regionals. I do not want to admit which one it was.

blastboy

God! What's the matter with you, eh! You ruined it! Just joking.

To the original poster - I asked a few family members about this same thing just in case it ever happened to myself. They said they had a couple of guys in their class have the same issue and the airline just gave them more training on the areas they were deficient in and did another checkride. Those were all from National, Pan Am, UAL and AAL so I'm not sure if a regional would do the same thing. There are plenty of guys who get slammed on a checkride and make it to the majors. Just be sure it's a lesson learned and make that clear in your next interview. Prove it to them in the simride too. Best of luck!

downtownkid

I failed the checkride itself in the sim. I pass Indoc, Systems, Oral, and got all the way through training, and on the last sim ride (Checkride Sim) I failed on two items. A non-precision apporach, and the go around. I had to meet with management after that, and they basically kicked me to the curb!

I only took my checkride once, and I still have my 8710 form from it, and I have no idea if its on my record or not. I would presume it is on my record, and I do not want to be dishonest, and go into some regional and lie about it. That just isn't right to me.

I have a friend who works for AE, and I have turned my stuff in there, and I got an e-mail recently from them, and I just haven't set up the interview date yet. He claims he spoken to someone there at AE, and if I'm honest about it, they will over look it. So I am confused.

I guess you can say I am little worried about my career. I'm in my 30's, 4 year degree, 2000 hours, 300 hours ME, and I just want to get a regional job fix this problem, and hopefully someday move on to the majors.

Pilotpip

AE won't hire you if you've failed a checkride. Others might.

A former coworker washed out at TSA during the oral. It took about three months and tons of resumes to 135 and 121 carriers and the only one that gave him an interview was Skyway. He's now flying for them.

Lots of 135 operations are desperate for people right now. Have you thought about going that route?

HermannGraf

You are right. No point in lying or hide things that will come out in a background check. That would make things worse. No point in hiding or lying even if it would not come out.

You can make it but it will be harder.
If you have a reference inside American Eagle then who knows.......give it a try.

They just have a hard time believing a company will invest in 30 - 40k training and then just let you go without giving you the extra training you need to get ready...........it is a bad financial idea if they do as it is much more expensive to train another pilot from the start.....AE will in most cases believe the pilot is the problem....

TexanAviator

Wherever you go, remember that they wont want to hear you passing off blame for your failure onto anybody else but you. Not to get on a soapbox here, but I am sure you learned a few things which might have changed the outcome.

rytheflyguy

You might try Pinnacle. Friend of mine, super nice guy, failed his check ride in November in the exact scenario you gave. Pinnacle hired him after he was honest about it and spun it as a learning experience, and he is starting IOE at Pinnacle next week. Good luck.