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Old 08-03-2007 | 01:39 PM
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No one likes a rat. There is nothing wrong with asking a captain why he doesn't do something by the SOP. Some have good reasons that aren't explained in the book. Ex. one captain turns the lights off at 10k in the day instead of 18k because he says it saves on the landing lights and they aren't much use on climb out above 10k anyway. Another example is how one captain shuts down the APU differently because doing it his way is actually shown to increase the life of the unit. Little things. I can't remember the last time I actually climbed at one of our two profiles. 290KIAS above 10k in a full 145 would basically mean I'm level.

The questions seem to be wide open to the fact that there are things that can be done while not in complete compliance with company standards and don't require a call to the CP. It seems your friend had a lack of thought on the subject. Every gouge out there has that exact question in it. I'd ask him if he prepared any for the interview and how. To me the responses show an indepth lack of preparation for something which shouldn't be taken lightly. So I wouldn't hire him. Did he at least wear a nice suit and tie along with a sharp haircut to let them know he was at least somewhat serious?
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Old 08-03-2007 | 01:43 PM
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He is no one i know, just a person i ran into at an FBO and we got chatting about airlines.
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Old 08-03-2007 | 01:50 PM
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I don't know where he applied but many of the companies have been sending everyone away then calling them and letting them know they are hired. Some even hire on the spot. If it's been a few days and he wasn't called then he might be waiting on something that will never come.
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Old 08-03-2007 | 03:25 PM
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I don't think this apllicant will get hired...this is a common interview question and unless the scenario involved drugs/drinking on duty the expected response would be gradual escalation:

- Say something to the guy
- Say it again, but insist
- Call Pro standards
- Chief Pilot as a last resort.

But you have to let the guy know that you are turning him in (well I can think of few possible scenarios where you might not tell him first).

Real world: If the guy doesn't want to do checklists, then you do it yourself to back up him up.
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Old 08-03-2007 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by belliott
I think the interviewee is a few nuts short of being a fruit cake! That is outrageous!

I would not report him... immediately... I would try to resolve the issue man to man. Talk it over and explain why not using the SOP's makes ME uncomfortable. I would try to resolve the issue before it gets out of hand. At the end of that line I would probably avoid getting myself paired with that individual.

In response to the second question... If I was called out for reporting someone I would man up and take responsibility for my actions and not try to sideskirt the question.

I think this is a classic example of what not to do in an interview.... but then again I too may be a nut short of being a fruitcake!
It was a good answer and I'll tell you why.....

he was honest. If someone has never worked at an airline he probably doesn't know about proffesional standards and the other routes he could have taken. He hasn't been schooled on the "I'm not comfortable with that" catch phrase.

LET ME INTRODUCE YOU GUYS TO THE CHARLES THEORY....
and I better get credit for this when you repeat it...

You can be Charles Lindberg and if they don't need pilots; you're not getting a job...

OR

If they need pilots bad enough you could be Charles Manson and your in the next class.



Best advice, get some experience, don't be an uptight Prick, and just be honest. quit worrying what the "right" answer is.

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Old 08-03-2007 | 05:02 PM
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Stick...

I am not concerned with spewing the right answer... I just thought it was funny how he responded... by all means you should be yourself in an interview...

Touche with the Charles theory..... it's definitely food for thought.

I, myself, have been told that I have a couple of screws loose in my head... afterall I do fly into T-storms for a living...

Good post Stick
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Old 08-03-2007 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tsween
I was talking to a guy who had an interview at an unmentioned airline several weeks ago. I asked him how it went and etc. and he gave me this example and said it went good.

He was asked if a captain was not using proper SOP, what would you do as a new FO? He immediately responded report him to the chief pilot.

Then the interviewer said, now I am that pilot, what are you going to say to me or how will you act around me. His reponse "Want to go have a beer?"

Call me crazy but there are a several things I would do prior to reporting him to the chief pilot because there are too many variables.

But then the repsonse with the beer? if in the interviewers shoes, would you hire this guy?

he said it got some laughs and wnet over well, but I can not imagine that
NO. Address it with him in person if you're concerned about it, that's called conflict resolution, and it's a needed skill. If you're really concerned or can't work it out, bring it up with the professional standards committee at your airline. They'll have you work it out together. If you rat him out with the Chief Pilot, what happens when you fly with his non-standard friends after he visits with the CP? You now have a reputation as a hair splitting anal rat, and that ain't good. If you address it with him in person and/or with pro standards you don't diss him, and you keep your dignity and he respects you more.

Remember there are always gray areas with SOP's. Pick your battles, you'll be able to tell which ones are black and while and more safety critical than other.
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Old 08-03-2007 | 07:06 PM
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tsween: Is that radar return in your avatar a depiction of Elvis?!
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Old 08-03-2007 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
tsween: Is that radar return in your avatar a depiction of Elvis?!

what, where did elvis come from there?
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Old 08-03-2007 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
tsween: Is that radar return in your avatar a depiction of Elvis?!
Looks like we've got a fan.
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