As long as I wasn't relieving myself in the flight attendant's closet.... wouldn't I have looked sheepish then

 

The sad part is all they/you had to do is log it as "Part 135 training" it would have been all good.

 

A bit of advice from someone with a lost license and other updates with the FAA. Make a copy of your log book. Make several copies. Put a copy in a fire/theft proof box and make updates.

The inspector said it was mighty tough proving any hours otherwise. Good advice for anybody.

PaintCan

 

WEll said.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor pilot ...this is what I should have known...........but My ((((((AOPA)))) Lawyer supposed to be on top of this one ....but He missed the case "Part 135 Training " ............which cost me my carrier and of course caused me an hardship with my family in the past two years..!!!!!!!! Furthemore I spoke with an FAA Inspector from Okalhoma City this morning and ......(No Names) told me that a "certify 8710" should take care my flight time, since before my revoketion I took the 135 Check ride with a different company ...just a week prior my ........"Notification" ....from My (((( AOPA))))....."Lawyer"...!!!!!!!!!

I hate Lawyers...~~~

 

OK, the good news here is that the logging of SIC time in airplanes certified for single-pilot ops has been a confusing issue in the 135 world. It is legal if the 135 certificate requires an SIC...but it is NOT legal if the SIC is required only by insurance or company policy (or pay-for-training).

Unless there is evidence to the contrary, you can reasonably claim that this was an honest mistake (ie you did not intentionally falsify flight time). You MUST take responsibility for the mistake at an interview...don't just blame the company and/or the FAA. You can state that the company policy led you to misunderstand the rules, but it was YOUR fault for not doing your homework.

If you have the right attitude and get yourself current I suspect that you will be able to get a regional job. You might get rejected by a few companies but I think you'll get hired fairly quickly, if you are otherwise qualified and competetive.

 

Dear Rickair

Thank you for your .....

Encouragement I do appreciate all your considerations and help in order to get me back on the field ,......and eventually back with the Airlines ..

 

I hope for the sake of future PA announcements, you never get rehired at an Airline. My 7 year old could put together a more grammatically correct sentence than your incoherent ramblings.

 

A Swiss man, looking for directions, pulls up at a bus stop where two Americans are waiting. "Entschuldigung, koennen Sie Deutsch sprechen?" he asks. The two Americans just stare at him.

"Excusez-moi, parlez vous Francais?" he tries. The two continue to stare.

"Parlare Italiano?" No response.

"Hablan ustedes Espanol?" Still nothing.

The Swiss guy drives off, extremely disgusted. The first American turns to the second and says, "Y'know, maybe we should learn a foreign language."

"Why?" says the other. "That guy knew four languages, and it didn't do him any good."

 

I've heard of more than one pilot get themselves back to the airlines after blowing the big one and know a few personally. They've had certificates revoked for various reasons and came out of it having learned a whole lot.

That having learned a whole lot needs to come across in the interview.

Do not breathe one word about "it's not my fault." If you or your lawyer missed deadlines for whatever reason, state it. "Hurricane Katrina changed my priorities and I had to let the certificates go. I probably would have stopped flying anyways to deal with that problem. I now know and do keep copies of my logbooks in safe places and am very careful to stay out of the gray areas that could trigger an investigation, no matter who ultimately prevails."

For re-training, you will need a certified copy of your last 8710 and/or medical (or both!), staple it into your new logbook, and then the 3 hours in the last 90 days before taking each checkride. Sit down with a DPE and/or the FAA inspector who'll be doing your checkrides and make sure work through the process in an efficient manner. When you do fly, do so in such a conservative manner that the Feds will have no reason to question you, let alone start an investigation.

Good luck!


(notice: speel check not engaged for this post)

 

I'm not familiar with your situation Max, but I wanted to clarify the above statement as I think this is a situation many pilots find themselves in. I'm going to make an assumption that you were flying right seat on 135 ops for a company and that the company's op specs specified it was a single pilot operation with an autopilot. I'm also assuming that you did not have enough hours to have taken an IFR 135 checkride and were not piloting the paying legs, but may have been piloting the non-revenue legs. My last assumption is that you logged all of the time (all legs) in some fashion.

I'm not trying to delve into your private life here and kudos to you for sharing your situation so that the rest of us can learn. So, now on to my question: how does one log any of the above time as "Part 135 training". Doesn't a 135 training program have to be an FAA approved program and wouldn't it have to be in the company's op specs as such? Lastly, how would that time actually show up in the co-pilot's logbook (both revenue legs and non-revenue legs)? Thanks again for sharing!