Diffferences in regional pilot pay... interesting figures
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Here's another way to look at it, cost to staff each aircraft on an annual basis:
That, IMO, is the best way to compare, because it looks at a companies operational efficiency. For example, it costs Comair about $558,000 per year per aircraft to staff it's fleet. It only costs ExpressJet $490,000 per year per aircraft - hence ExpressJet has about a 14% operational advantage. Said another way, ExpressJet could pay it's pilots 14% MORE and still be even in overall pilot costs with Comair. Both fly similar aircraft (all jet, 50 seaters for the most part).
The best way to compare would be to look at total block hours divided by total compensation, but I don't have the time nor the inclination to look up that data.
That, IMO, is the best way to compare, because it looks at a companies operational efficiency. For example, it costs Comair about $558,000 per year per aircraft to staff it's fleet. It only costs ExpressJet $490,000 per year per aircraft - hence ExpressJet has about a 14% operational advantage. Said another way, ExpressJet could pay it's pilots 14% MORE and still be even in overall pilot costs with Comair. Both fly similar aircraft (all jet, 50 seaters for the most part).
The best way to compare would be to look at total block hours divided by total compensation, but I don't have the time nor the inclination to look up that data.
Last edited by fosters; 08-09-2007 at 10:56 AM. Reason: Made mistake, added XJT fleet #'s incorrectly.
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Those figures for SkyWest aren't very accurate. As of 12/31/06 we only had 2499 pilots, and I'd imagine only around 2100 at the start of 2006. Out of the 2758 pilots we have now, over 600 were hired just in the past year and are still on first year pay. The next 400 up the list are all on second year pay. Halfway up the seniority list is only a 11/22/04 hire date and goes to explain why we had such fast upgrades lately. (And also why upgrades for the current newhires will probably run much longer- now that those hired within last last 1-3 years have their 2500tt/1000turbine requirement met.) Less than 240 pilots have been here longer than 10 years.
Some other things to consider, Comair and Expressjet have an all jet fleet, while others airlines compared still fly the lower paying turboprops as well. SkyWest is staffed to around 500 EMB120 pilots.
Some other things to consider, Comair and Expressjet have an all jet fleet, while others airlines compared still fly the lower paying turboprops as well. SkyWest is staffed to around 500 EMB120 pilots.
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Those figures for SkyWest aren't very accurate. As of 12/31/06 we only had 2499 pilots, and I'd imagine only around 2100 at the start of 2006. Out of the 2758 pilots we have now, over 600 were hired just in the past year and are still on first year pay. The next 400 up the list are all on second year pay. Halfway up the seniority list is only a 11/22/04 hire date and goes to explain why we had such fast upgrades lately. (And also why upgrades for the current newhires will probably run much longer- now that those hired within last last 1-3 years have their 2500tt/1000turbine requirement met.) Less than 240 pilots have been here longer than 10 years.
Some other things to consider, Comair and Expressjet have an all jet fleet, while others airlines compared still fly the lower paying turboprops as well. SkyWest is staffed to around 500 EMB120 pilots.
Some other things to consider, Comair and Expressjet have an all jet fleet, while others airlines compared still fly the lower paying turboprops as well. SkyWest is staffed to around 500 EMB120 pilots.
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Cost to staff the aircraft would remain the same in the cost per aircraft comparison, because it was year end figures, it has nothing to do with amount of pilots, unless they've added a few aircraft from the end of 2006, then it might change slightly.
The rest of what you're saying is the point of the article - that the longer pilots remain with the company the higher the companies costs are. However, I personally think operational efficiency has a lot more to do with it than straight up pilot pay - just look at SWA vs. any legacy right now.
The rest of what you're saying is the point of the article - that the longer pilots remain with the company the higher the companies costs are. However, I personally think operational efficiency has a lot more to do with it than straight up pilot pay - just look at SWA vs. any legacy right now.
Last edited by fosters; 08-09-2007 at 10:57 AM.
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Cost to staff the aircraft would remain the same in the cost per aircraft comparison, because it was year end figures, it has nothing to do with amount of pilots, unless they've added a few aircraft from the end of 2006, then it might change slightly.
The rest of what you're saying is the point of the article - that the longer pilots remain with the company the higher the companies costs are. However, I personally think operational efficiency has a lot more to do with it than straight up pilot pay - just look at SWA vs. any legacy right now.
The rest of what you're saying is the point of the article - that the longer pilots remain with the company the higher the companies costs are. However, I personally think operational efficiency has a lot more to do with it than straight up pilot pay - just look at SWA vs. any legacy right now.
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