SkyWest to stop up grades
#11
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#12
No need to worry guys. It’s SKW standard business practice SP-54 (LOL), they understand that everyone will slow down training toward the end of the year and most don’t run classes in December. Using this info (more like betting on it) they understand that our CA attrition rate will slow a little and then pick back up in the first quarter. They don’t mind playing this game seeing that they have more room to “play” with on the CA side. You can bet SKW will start running upgrade classes every 3 weeks starting in January with the maximum number of pilots in them. Remember that this is how SKW works. Less than two years ago they stopped hiring & running classes for the 4Q of 05 and 1Q of 06 (that’s 6 months total). Starting in the 2Q of 06 they then hired over 800 pilots in 12 months.
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Up until recently, SkyWest was upgrading because of growth and attrition. With our last aircraft coming online in about a month, it'll only be for attrition now. Additionally, I'd imagine management knows exactly how many request for training records have been submitted by other airlines recently and can plan off this info as well.
SkyWestonline (internal company website) shows 57 RJ and 7 EMB captains currently in training, though this may not be very accurate.
SkyWestonline (internal company website) shows 57 RJ and 7 EMB captains currently in training, though this may not be very accurate.
#16
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Pinnacle can't fill upgrade slots? Why not? Not enough qualified pilots or people aren't bidding it?
Airsupport,
In what ways would management screw the captains? Do you mean by making them fly 100 hours a month, something to that effect or some other creative way that hasn't crossed my mind?
Airsupport,
In what ways would management screw the captains? Do you mean by making them fly 100 hours a month, something to that effect or some other creative way that hasn't crossed my mind?
how do the screw the capts over? every time you get done with a 2, 3, or 4 day trip they would extend you, jm assignments, adding trips into an already jammed packed day, etc, etc. i was flying with a capt a couple of months ago who had to go do an extra out and back in the middle of our trip while i sat around the airport waiting for him to get back. we were delayed 1 hour so he could go do that extra turn.
yes, this is a problem. you get hired at 300 hours, you have to have 2500 to upgrade. so lets do the math. the absolute most you can fly is 1000 per year, so after 2 years you are at 2300, then add on a couple more months to get the other 200... it could be a long drawn out process.
#17
Word is that they have received only a small fraction of the number of applications they expected. And their attitude is still very patronising to highly qualified applicants.
I have a buddy who has about 5000 PIC on jets and is totally qualified and not some oddity and they told him he was not for United. Funny. I guess he is too qualified. I wonder if those 21 year olds they used to hire with 1000/100 were as well qualified.....
#18
Word is that they have received only a small fraction of the number of applications they expected. And their attitude is still very patronising to highly qualified applicants.
I have a buddy who has about 5000 PIC on jets and is totally qualified and not some oddity and they told him he was not for United. Funny. I guess he is too qualified. I wonder if those 21 year olds they used to hire with 1000/100 were as well qualified.....
I have a buddy who has about 5000 PIC on jets and is totally qualified and not some oddity and they told him he was not for United. Funny. I guess he is too qualified. I wonder if those 21 year olds they used to hire with 1000/100 were as well qualified.....
The point is this, I agree with you 100% that your buddy with 5K PIC should be looked at and hired before a 1000 hour wonder, however, a lot of folks have gone to certain airlines (won't mention any names) gotten the type and/or experience, then jumped ship. Legacy carriers realize that there is a vast pool of "less" qualified applicants that are salivating at the chance to work at a "major", and whom they can count on retaining for a long time. So you tell me...but IMHO this will also become a trend.
#19
AE is having similar problems with not having enough FO staffing to upgrade into the SF3s. Approx 250 more AA flowbacks are being recalled from AE, and they still havent figured out what will happen to the approx 400 AE/CAs who already have AA seniority numbers from the flowthrough. To make it simple: anywhere from 250-650+ CAs will be leaving in the next few years and we cant staff the airline already.
Our first year pay is higher (by $1-5/hr) than SKYW/CHQ/XJET/Comair but we still arent filling newhire classes. In my opinion, people need to have a chance at career progression as opposed to strictly higher pay. If you could get hired at AE and be given an AA seniority # then we would be the 'place to go.' If we had quick upgrades (1-2yrs) then we would be the place to go. Horizon's payscale is by far the highest of regionals, yet the people who are most interested in HZ are the ones who chose QOL over quick upgrades. There needs to be more than just $$$!
Our first year pay is higher (by $1-5/hr) than SKYW/CHQ/XJET/Comair but we still arent filling newhire classes. In my opinion, people need to have a chance at career progression as opposed to strictly higher pay. If you could get hired at AE and be given an AA seniority # then we would be the 'place to go.' If we had quick upgrades (1-2yrs) then we would be the place to go. Horizon's payscale is by far the highest of regionals, yet the people who are most interested in HZ are the ones who chose QOL over quick upgrades. There needs to be more than just $$$!
Last edited by Flyby1206; 08-27-2007 at 11:39 AM.
#20
AE is having similar problems with not having enough FO staffing to upgrade into the SF3s. Approx 250 more AA flowbacks are being recalled from AE, and they still havent figured out what will happen to the approx 400 AE/CAs who already have AA seniority numbers from the flowthrough. To make it simple: anywhere from 250-650+ CAs will be leaving in the next few years and we cant staff the airline already.
Our first year pay is higher (by $1-5/hr) than SKYW/CHQ/XJET/Comair but we still arent filling newhire classes. In my opinion, people need to have a chance at career progression as opposed to strictly higher pay. If you could get hired at AE and be given an AA seniority # then we would be the 'place to go.' If we had quick upgrades (1-2yrs) then we would be the place to go. Horizon's payscale is by far the highest of regionals, yet the people who are most interested in HZ are the ones who chose QOL over quick upgrades. There needs to be more than just $$$!
Our first year pay is higher (by $1-5/hr) than SKYW/CHQ/XJET/Comair but we still arent filling newhire classes. In my opinion, people need to have a chance at career progression as opposed to strictly higher pay. If you could get hired at AE and be given an AA seniority # then we would be the 'place to go.' If we had quick upgrades (1-2yrs) then we would be the place to go. Horizon's payscale is by far the highest of regionals, yet the people who are most interested in HZ are the ones who chose QOL over quick upgrades. There needs to be more than just $$$!
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