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Old 08-28-2007, 07:42 AM   #1  
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Republic Amends Delta, UAL Agreements

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Posted: 2007-08-28 10:20:00
NEW YORK (AP) - Regional air carrier Republic Airways Holdings Inc. amended services agreements with Delta Air Lines Inc. and UAL Corp. regarding aircraft for each carrier.

Republic will replace 16 of Delta's 70-seat Embraer 170 aircraft with 76-seat Embraer 175s during the second half of 2008 and first quarter of 2009. The planes are part of the Delta Connection fleet. It will also add 10 70-seat Embraer 170s to UAL's United Express-branded fleet.

Republic operates regional flights for several major airlines, including Delta, UAL, AMR Corp., Continental Airlines Inc., US Airways Group Inc. and Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc.

Republic shares fell 18 cents to $18.82 in morning trading.
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Republic Amends Delta, UAL Agreements

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NEW YORK (AP) - Regional air carrier Republic Airways Holdings Inc. amended services agreements with Delta Air Lines Inc. and UAL Corp. regarding aircraft for each carrier.

Republic will replace 16 of Delta's 70-seat Embraer 170 aircraft with 76-seat Embraer 175s during the second half of 2008 and first quarter of 2009. The planes are part of the Delta Connection fleet. It will also add 10 70-seat Embraer 170s to UAL's United Express-branded fleet.

Republic operates regional flights for several major airlines, including Delta, UAL, AMR Corp., Continental Airlines Inc., US Airways Group Inc. and Frontier Airlines Holdings Inc.

Republic shares fell 18 cents to $18.82 in morning trading.

All you boys and girls at Mesa, Pinnacle, and TSA better sell yourselves out to get that 1000 turbine PIC so you can move on to the majors and make a lot of money and fly the really big airplanes with a lot of hot flight attendants... NOT, this is what we all might be stuck in for a while. 70+ seat "regional aircraft." It's time that some people on this board begin to realize this fact.

Everybody should be supporting those companies and pilots that are making the industry better rather than those that continue the cutthroat competition and allow the sub par companies to stay in business through this "pilot shortage" as some have referred to it.
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All you boys and girls at Mesa, Pinnacle, and TSA better sell yourselves out to get that 1000 turbine PIC so you can move on to the majors and make a lot of money and fly the really big airplanes with a lot of hot flight attendants... NOT, this is what we all might be stuck in for a while. 70+ seat "regional aircraft." It's time that some people on this board begin to realize this fact.

Everybody should be supporting those companies and pilots that are making the industry better rather than those that continue the cutthroat competition and allow the sub par companies to stay in business through this "pilot shortage" as some have referred to it.
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We are/could be in a situation where it should only go up from those wages above... hows that going to happen? that's the question.
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We are/could be in a situation where it should only go up from those wages above... hows that going to happen? that's the question.
Mesa going out of business and all their pilot's returning to work at McDonalds. That will push the supply and demand curves in our favor!
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All you boys and girls at Mesa, Pinnacle, and TSA better sell yourselves out to get that 1000 turbine PIC so you can move on to the majors and make a lot of money and fly the really big airplanes with a lot of hot flight attendants... NOT, this is what we all might be stuck in for a while. 70+ seat "regional aircraft." It's time that some people on this board begin to realize this fact.

Everybody should be supporting those companies and pilots that are making the industry better rather than those that continue the cutthroat competition and allow the sub par companies to stay in business through this "pilot shortage" as some have referred to it.

The TSA guys and gals tried to improve the industry a few years ago when they voted down the initial gojet proposal...obviously that worked out well. We're trying again in negotiations right now...its already been a long process, and its going to be a lot longer, but I think and hope that the vast majority is ready to do whatever it takes to get our contract abve par.
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Things will never change, just read some post about some cfi asking what they need to fly the 170 cause it looks like a "big" jet. There is many that will fly them for nothing and companies know that. Untill majors get some real scope and put anything bigger than 50 seats at mainline then the undercutting will continue.
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Things will never change, just read some post about some cfi asking what they need to fly the 170 cause it looks like a "big" jet. There is many that will fly them for nothing and companies know that. Untill majors get some real scope and put anything bigger than 50 seats at mainline then the undercutting will continue.
Exactly. It's all about the "cool" factor these days. You take a 22, 23 year old guy or gal and give them the option of a new ERJ 170, or a Saab 340, I'm pretty certain they will take the ERJ 170, even if it had a LOWER rate. Like I said, the "cool" factor is plaguing the new generation of airline pilots, which is the 22, 23, 24 year old college grad/CFI.

Back in the day, these airplanes weren't around, well I take that back, they were, DC-9s, and 737-200s. Commuters were exactly that, BE-99s, Metroliners, Shorts, etc etc, going to the sticks, not LGA, DCA, or BOS. Those we're stepping stones to the "cool" flying in the name of United, Delta, American et al. They did their time and got out.

Today, it's a different story. The newer generation (IMO) isn't looking ahead into the future, they are looking at the current, and they see new ERJ 170s, and they want to fly those, and only those.

Let's face it, regionals will always have applicants willing to go fly an ERJ 170 for the current wages. Until these guys get over the fact that an airplane is an airplane, wages will never, ever go up.

These guys aren't passionate about their craft, they just want to be the "cool guy" at the bar. In reality, there is nothing cool about it.
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Things will never change, just read some post about some cfi asking what they need to fly the 170 cause it looks like a "big" jet. There is many that will fly them for nothing and companies know that. Untill majors get some real scope and put anything bigger than 50 seats at mainline then the undercutting will continue.

Not only wont it change I think it will get worse. With regional guys earning like 20% of the major guys the majors will continue to outsoure to the regionals. The only reason a 50 seat RJ between major cities is even profitable or practical is because of the low labor rates. The regionals will say that if you guys want more money then the majors will take back more flying and threaten your jobs and its probably true.
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