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JoeyMeatballs 08-26-2007 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by BeatsCFIing (Post 221624)
Saab, I have to agree, when I came to Colgan, you were just getting on with Xjet. I thought you were just a ****ed of whiner. I thought, an airline job is an airline job. But now, after 7 months on the line and upgrade in the near future, I hate this place. The resumes are out and as soon as someone bites, I'm gone. Preferably RAH. I would join you at Xjet, but I'm from the NE and IAH is the only base I would want. My friend at Xjet is based in EWR and after 2 years of the hassle and delays, he has a debate with himself at night. Does he put the bottle of beer or the barrel of his Glock in his mouth? Hopefully something other than Colgan will help me enjoy my job. Great Job, Crappy Career.

Well, Good luck, I know I sometimes sound like an A**hole to some, but those of you like yourself that spend some time there are now starting to understand what I mean..............Anyway Fly safe and good luck with your 121 time you will be able to get any regional job you want, Good luck...........

Blkflyer 08-26-2007 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by BeatsCFIing (Post 221625)
One other thing, here is a mx dream. I worked 5 legs the other day and we had mx on 4 of them. A flap failure, comm failure, door warning sys failure, and a capt audio panel. What a day. we had one more scheduled leg, but we timed out after sitting for three hours while the mighty system control worked something out. Then the mechanic shows up and taps it and says just plug into the jumpseat jacks and fly it out...then he says, come on man, that would be so much more convenient for us. How about a flight crews safety, esp with the track record of colgan and the cape and islands.

Ill be sure non of my family or friends fly on anything that is operated by Colgan... you guys are starting to scare me

XJPILOT1 08-27-2007 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 220818)
Those starry eyed FO's are pretty serious. I saw two at FSI in STL about 3 weeks ago decked out in full uniform, including the hat. Dudes were checking their email in the lab. Those guys are hardcore! I someday wish I could be cool enough to wear my hat at Flight Safety.

I saw 5 or 6 kids with there instructor at STL FSI! In the SIM come on!

SenecaDriver 08-28-2007 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by batman (Post 220602)
Low oil pressure light today in our plane and shut down the number 1, followed by emergency landing. Maintenance log shows the plane written up 3 times this week for oil pressure- just add some oil- ops check complete.

So we land safely, and instead of getting the rest of the day off, we take a cab to another airport, to catch the Shuttle to LGA, then deadhead 2 more short legs to ferry another plane back here. We waited 3 hours in the crew room because they wouldnt buy us a day room to catch a nap in.
Of course, this is after we refused to fly the broken plane on a ferry flight after more oil was added.

Thanks for voting NO.


From what I heard, there was only a handful of no votes. Which means the vast majoity just plain failed to show up and vote. Much worse in my opinion. If the majority had voted No, you would have to respect it . At least they would of had some sort of opinion.
At Colgan, you folks that failed to vote, got what you voted for, more of the same and maybe worse now that the company knows what kind of people they are dealing with.

Good luck.

MudPupppy 08-28-2007 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by SenecaDriver (Post 222229)
From what I heard, there was only a handful of no votes. Which means the vast majoity just plain failed to show up and vote. Much worse in my opinion. If the majority had voted No, you would have to respect it . At least they would of had some sort of opinion.
At Colgan, you folks that failed to vote, got what you voted for, more of the same and maybe worse now that the company knows what kind of people they are dealing with.

Good luck.


To vote NO was simply to not call in, there was no way to vote NO for representation once you called in. You could vote ALPA or other union but couldn't vote no.

148 Votes ALPA
2 votes Teamsters
1 vote write in

151 votes, 155 needed to certify a union.

SenecaDriver 08-28-2007 07:23 AM

Sorry Mud,
I misunderstood my source. I was under the impression it was an up or down vote. Thanks for the correction.

Wow! 7 votes short. Thats gotta sting.

I still think that the folks that failed to vote (200 +), call in, or whatever, are going to get what they asked for........ nothing better and maybe worse.

visceral 08-28-2007 03:15 PM

I haven't received any communications from Colgan since the vote results were announced. Back to ops normal.

Mr Spooner 08-28-2007 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by SenecaDriver (Post 222274)
Sorry Mud,
I misunderstood my source. I was under the impression it was an up or down vote. Thanks for the correction.

Wow! 7 votes short. Thats gotta sting.

I still think that the folks that failed to vote (200 +), call in, or whatever, are going to get what they asked for........ nothing better and maybe worse.

I was for the union for nothing else but protection. To think that ALPA would come in and raise pay, QOL, days off, food in crew rooms, foot rubs, hot FA...well that is unrealistic.

Colgan is Colgan. Those of us who work here know it and most accept it for what it is. If you do not like it you can leave, Saab left and he is happy so it was a good move for him.

If you want Colgan to be like Republic or SkyWest it will never happen ALPA or not. If you want those airlines work rules then work for them.

If you were to compare Regionals to the restaurant industry Colgan is like Denny's, just basic crap. If you work at Denny's you do not expect to get paid like you work at the prime steakhouse down the road, you are Denny's. However being Denny's is better than being McDonalds (Mesa) or a roachcoach (BlowJets)

JoeyMeatballs 08-28-2007 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Spooner (Post 222539)
I was for the union for nothing else but protection. To think that ALPA would come in and raise pay, QOL, days off, food in crew rooms, foot rubs, hot FA...well that is unrealistic.

Colgan is Colgan. Those of us who work here know it and most accept it for what it is. If you do not like it you can leave, Saab left and he is happy so it was a good move for him.

If you want Colgan to be like Republic or SkyWest it will never happen ALPA or not. If you want those airlines work rules then work for them.

If you were to compare Regionals to the restaurant industry Colgan is like Denny's, just basic crap. If you work at Denny's you do not expect to get paid like you work at the prime steakhouse down the road, you are Denny's. However being Denny's is better than being McDonalds (Mesa) or a roachcoach (BlowJets)

Pretty good post, and yes Chicks dig BETA

DeadHead 04-01-2008 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 220771)
Because I was there longer than you, and I have experienced more BS than you have, yet you still seem to stand up for your airline yet day after day this type of Bull**** goes on, why dont you go ask Lou Casella about write ups and how Colgan & Co went to bat for him.................

I think their was alot more to that story than most people realize.
I don't think you should be calling out peoples' names either.
You shouldn't put other peoples business out there.


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