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RAH update
The Company was recently informed by US Airways that US Airways will recall all pilots which were previously made available under the “jets for jobs” program. The Company currently employs approximately 80 pilots under this program in its US Airways operations. The Company now anticipates that all of these employees will be recalled back to US Airways between November 2007 and April 2008. Consequently, commencing in the fourth quarter of 2007 and extending into the first quarter of 2008, the Company will spend approximately $3 million to train new pilots to replace those that are recalled. To the extent the Company is unable to train replacement pilots at a rate faster than it loses recalled pilots, the Company may have to temporarily reduce its US Airways operation. The Company currently does not know the extent, if any, of such reduction. The Company expects to update this guidance, if necessary, during its 3rd quarter 2007 earnings call which is anticipated to occur before the end of October 2007. |
Based on number of pilots on property now compared with projections for the next 18 months and attrition! I am guessing right at 24 months for those hired up untill spring of 07 and then at least 30 to 36 months from spring of 07 till now! they did hire over 400 people in a period of 4 months between march and july of this year!
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Originally Posted by ScaryKite
(Post 225129)
Based on number of pilots on property now compared with projections for the next 18 months and attrition! I am guessing right at 24 months for those hired up untill spring of 07 and then at least 30 to 36 months from spring of 07 till now! they did hire over 400 people in a period of 4 months between march and july of this year!
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 225156)
I say 18 months for the people hired Dec. '06.
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Originally Posted by ScaryKite
(Post 225129)
Based on number of pilots on property now compared with projections for the next 18 months and attrition! I am guessing right at 24 months for those hired up untill spring of 07 and then at least 30 to 36 months from spring of 07 till now! they did hire over 400 people in a period of 4 months between march and july of this year!
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
(Post 225156)
I say 18 months for the people hired Dec. '06.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 225188)
Based on what?
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
(Post 225261)
That's a bit optimistic. I've been here over a year and do not see upgrade coming in the next couple months that would take me to 1.5 years. I'd say at least 2 years until you hit the Fall of 2006...and then getting longer after that. We don't have enough sim time to upgrade the people between me and the most junior CA in the next few months even if the positions were available.
I dont know they could always send more people to Paris! |
They plan on having the seniority list up to 2300 by the fall of 08! based on orders to bring the whole fleet up to 230! So that would mean we would have roughly 1100ish captains on property. So most of the fall of 06 hires are around the 1300s to 1500s. We are loosing all the J4J guys and attrition will most likely stay at 20ish a month. I jumped 33 spots on the september list! So yeah i would say fall of 06 hires will look at upgrade in the summer of 08, and About 24 months from DOH for the spring 07 hires and a good 3 years for the summer 07 new hires. I have a march number, sitting in the low 1600s, we will have over 2000 on the october list. 400 pilots in just 6 months means upgrade time will start to really stretch between all the pilots that were hired during the summer hiring rush! just my forecast! I have been wrong before!
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If they staff it right (and that's a big if), there should be about 1300-1400 captains with 2300 pilots. Generally, you plan for 60% captains. You can always use a captain as an FO, but not vice versa. I'm a July 07 new hire and I agree that we are looking around the 2.5-3 year mark unless attrition jumps suddenly or we expand further. Of course, we also don't have the physical sim time open to train that many pilots in under 2 years.
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For those looking at an upgrade in the near future, come prepared for a 'slam dunk' program.
You'll get four sims that cover the same material that the initial course covers in eight...so have your flows, callouts, and profiles down pat. There just isn't enough time to redo very many areas. The check is a full blown FAA type ride. If you are a first time ATP candidate, you will do steep turns and the Emergency Descent in addition to everything else. Emphasis is on PIC decision making and 'command presence'...not just on flying maneuvers from the left seat. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by shackone
(Post 225430)
For those looking at an upgrade in the near future, come prepared for a 'slam dunk' program.
You'll get four sims that cover the same material that the initial course covers in eight...so have your flows, callouts, and profiles down pat. There just isn't enough time to redo very many areas. The check is a full blown FAA type ride. If you are a first time ATP candidate, you will do steep turns and the Emergency Descent in addition to everything else. Emphasis is on PIC decision making and 'command presence'...not just on flying maneuvers from the left seat. Good luck. |
Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
(Post 225433)
Is that for everyone or for pilots already qualified in the aircraft? I was under the impression that guys going from the 145 to the 170 or vice versa had to do the whole nine yards over again (8 sims, plus Check Ride and LOFT).
This is the upgrade syllabus for those FOs already qualified on the 170. A Captain from another type of aircraft will go through the initial (not upgrade) course, and that's the 8 ride plus check plus LOFT syllabus. |
wow, that's even shorter than trans states crappy 5 sim sessions for capt. upgrades. Hope your training is better than ours...but as i recall, i believe it is.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 225188)
Based on what?
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For those that come to upgrade prepared, you'll want to take the ride after sim 2. 4 sims are very realistic if you are already qualified on the aircraft and have done your homework.
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
(Post 225536)
For those that come to upgrade prepared, you'll want to take the ride after sim 2. 4 sims are very realistic if you are already qualified on the aircraft and have done your homework.
In addition to having the Captain flows, and maneuver profiles and callouts down, I recommend folks hand fly some departures and approaches. One recent failure came when the candidate was unable to maintain altitude within tolerances. |
Originally Posted by shackone
(Post 225575)
I agree...that's probably true for most.
In addition to having the Captain flows, and maneuver profiles and callouts down, I recommend folks hand fly some departures and approaches. One recent failure came when the candidate was unable to maintain altitude within tolerances. |
up grade
Had bedford in class today and he says that upgrade is going to drop two weeks every month and that 83 captians are being called back to US Air. Also with in the next year the EFB's are going to start getthing certified in the 170's
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Originally Posted by kremit14
(Post 225739)
Had bedford in class today and he says that upgrade is going to drop two weeks every month and that 83 captians are being called back to US Air. Also with in the next year the EFB's are going to start getthing certified in the 170's
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Originally Posted by kremit14
(Post 225739)
Had bedford in class today and he says that upgrade is going to drop two weeks every month and that 83 captians are being called back to US Air. Also with in the next year the EFB's are going to start getthing certified in the 170's
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Originally Posted by sigep_nm
(Post 225811)
Would this be the same Bedford from MAIR/Mesaba fame?
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Did he mention to you his plan for getting the 170's on CAL property? I was impressed.
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out of curiousity what did he do with the MAIR/Mesaba incident you speak of
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 225966)
Did he mention to you his plan for getting the 170's on CAL property? I was impressed.
NOBODY should want 70 seaters at Continental. Nobody. |
when he visited my class a few months ago he mentioned that with alot of pilot contracts coming up for negotiations that the unions will be looking to protect or get back the pay and retierment benifits that they lost in the past few years. In return he says the union groups will have to give something up and the only thing they have left to lose is scope.
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
(Post 226010)
when he visited my class a few months ago he mentioned that with alot of pilot contracts coming up for negotiations that the unions will be looking to protect or get back the pay and retierment benifits that they lost in the past few years. In return he says the union groups will have to give something up and the only thing they have left to lose is scope.
More small jets outsourced away from mainline might be good for your short-term upgrade...but they're hell for all of our career progression and expectations. |
This is all good news for MAG would-be lateral movers! 1.7 year upgrade at Skywest is great... I imagine I will be doing a lot of right seat four-stripe flying in the next few months. :(
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
(Post 226010)
when he visited my class a few months ago he mentioned that with alot of pilot contracts coming up for negotiations that the unions will be looking to protect or get back the pay and retierment benifits that they lost in the past few years. In return he says the union groups will have to give something up and the only thing they have left to lose is scope.
Why, exactly, would any group have to give up anything? |
Originally Posted by POPA
(Post 226961)
Pilots are getting harder and harder to come by with every day that passes.
Why, exactly, would any group have to give up anything? There is no shortage of mainline pilots. Never will be. |
a little off topic but how senior is Denver goin over there?
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If hired today, I'd plan on waiting 6-9 months for DEN
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Is the DEN flying for Frontier going to grow?
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yes, we have less than half contract number of planes up and running at the moment.
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Originally Posted by king10pin02
(Post 233435)
yes, we have less than half contract number of planes up and running at the moment.
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From several reliable sources, I've heard that BB stopped in by a few recurrent classes and has stated that we WILL operate 190's by the end of 08 and that he foresees narrow body aircraft in our future.. perhaps with the purchase of Frontier ??
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
(Post 233711)
.. perhaps with the purchase of Frontier ??
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Originally Posted by Holy Toledo
(Post 233714)
I hope you know that the "share" that Wexford owns of Frontier is nothing more than a fabrication of rumor.
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
(Post 233723)
Don't shoot the messenger... :rolleyes:
There are just leigons of pilots who I have run into who think that we will buy Frontier any day now and that Wexford owns some extremely large chunk of Frontier already. |
I can see them getting some narrow bodys but nothing like that happening till they get rid of the 145's.
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